Thread: Why frontline cops should be armed

You missed every point I made Savage.

Yes of course there are not always numbers available but if numbers are limited why not take holstered firearms and tasers?
Firearms not available? Stop talking shit, we know firearms ARE available (in every vehicle in fact).
I said pulling a gun on someone with a baseball bat when you have other options is insane. At no point did I say NOR imply that having a holstered firearm is not acceptable. Stop reading what you want out of what I say.

You're right I bet they didn't know all of that information when they approached the address, which raises more questions, why not? Why would you not do a background check on someone who's house you have a warrant for for drugs?
Maybe there needs to be a process change when it comes to executing warrants, it's for your safety remember?

How could it not help? As I already explained, instead of having his car taken from him, he would have been riddled with bullets instead then lost his car. Also he got his dog out. Stop making more shit up.

It is NOT a different issue that isn't a problem in NZ, batons don't have the same effect as a gun to suspects and tasers record everything every time they're unholstered and a report has to be made, wouldn't be the same with a firearm.

Originally Posted by Jexla

You missed every point I made Savage.

Yes of course there are not always numbers available but if numbers are limited why not take holstered firearms and tasers?
Firearms not available? Stop talking shit, we know firearms ARE available (in every vehicle in fact).
I said pulling a gun on someone with a baseball bat when you have other options is insane. At no point did I say NOR imply that having a holstered firearm is not acceptable. Stop reading what you want out of what I say.

I didn't miss the point at all, firearms aren't always available and aren't in every car, no matter what you think you know. You clearly know nothing about frontline policing other than what you've been told by the media. I'm not talking shit, where do you get your knowledge of firearms availability in the Police? Why didn't every cop have a firearm at the recent Lower Hutt standoff?

Pulling a gun on someone with a baseball bat isn't insane even when you have other options, such comments just shows your complete lack of knowledge or experience in such situations. Have you used a TASER or OC Spray? Do you know what you're talking about? Have you ever been lunged at by a person wanting to assault you? Do you realise how quickly that ground can be covered by a determined offender?

You're right I bet they didn't know all of that information when they approached the address, which raises more questions, why not? Why would you not do a background check on someone who's house you have a warrant for for drugs?
Maybe there needs to be a process change when it comes to executing warrants, it's for your safety remember?

Are you serious, the bottom line is if they had firearms then there most likely would have been a better outcome. Sure they made a mistake but the process could easily be changed to being armed as a norm. You don't only vist such addresses when executing search warrants, you also attend domestics/disorder/investigations etc, you cant put in the deailed background checks every time.

How could it not help? As I already explained, instead of having his car taken from him, he would have been riddled with bullets instead then lost his car. Also he got his dog out. Stop making more shit up.

So what did I make up? What if the offender shot him instead of chasing him off? I'm not making anything up, I've personally met the officer involved and heard his version, have you? Getting the dog out was an absolute fluke. How do you know he would have been shot had he had a gun to defend himself? Should cops not go armed to confront armed offenders because hopefully they will not want to fire and just steal the cops car and guns? What stupid logic.

It is NOT a different issue that isn't a problem in NZ, batons don't have the same effect as a gun to suspects and tasers record everything every time they're un holstered and a report has to be made, wouldn't be the same with a firearm.


You clearly know nothing about Police processes so don't even bother trying to comment on something you clearly know nothing about. Unlike you I'm not "making shit up", I have first hand front line experience and don't have gaping holes in my knowledge that require "shit" to be made up.

Don't worry, you can explain to my wife and kids, when they're old enough to understand, why I shouldn't carry a firearm at work to defend myself or others.

Originally Posted by Jexla

You missed every point I made Savage.

Yes of course there are not always numbers available but if numbers are limited why not take holstered firearms and tasers?
Firearms not available? Stop talking shit, we know firearms ARE available (in every vehicle in fact).
I said pulling a gun on someone with a baseball bat when you have other options is insane. At no point did I say NOR imply that having a holstered firearm is not acceptable. Stop reading what you want out of what I say.

You're right I bet they didn't know all of that information when they approached the address, which raises more questions, why not? Why would you not do a background check on someone who's house you have a warrant for for drugs?
Maybe there needs to be a process change when it comes to executing warrants, it's for your safety remember?

How could it not help? As I already explained, instead of having his car taken from him, he would have been riddled with bullets instead then lost his car. Also he got his dog out. Stop making more shit up.

It is NOT a different issue that isn't a problem in NZ, batons don't have the same effect as a gun to suspects and tasers record everything every time they're unholstered and a report has to be made, wouldn't be the same with a firearm.

I suspect you would benefit significantly from some time spent with cops out facing what they do on a daily basis. Be interesting to see how your statements change once you've been on the receiving end...

Just out of interest, can you tell us what percentage of the tasers currently deployed have this "recording" facility ?

Originally Posted by ebf

I suspect you would benefit significantly from some time spent with cops out facing what they do on a daily basis. Be interesting to see how your statements change once you've been on the receiving end...

Just out of interest, can you tell us what percentage of the tasers currently deployed have this "recording" facility ?

I have been on ridealongs, I have a mate who is a cop also.
100% of NZ police tasers record video when deployed.
Try Google it.