Thread: Yet another shooting incident in the states

Just because a law won't stop all crime doesn't mean it shouldn't be introduced.

The background checks they were pushing for in USA was a perfect example, they wanted to make it harder for criminals to get firearms without effecting the law abiders, sure it wouldn't stop all but it may stop some but still people fought it, crazy.

America is paying for its lax gun laws and culture.

Originally Posted by Savage1

Just because a law won't stop all crime doesn't mean it shouldn't be introduced.

The background checks they were pushing for in USA was a perfect example, they wanted to make it harder for criminals to get firearms without effecting the law abiders, sure it wouldn't stop all but it may stop some but still people fought it, crazy.

America is paying for its lax gun laws and culture.

Let me paraphrase that for you....just because a law doesn't do what it is supposed to, doesn't mean we shouldn't make it anyway....

Where is the evidence that these sort of laws stop any crime? Everybody talks hypothetically about this issue. It sounds like a great idea to make it harder to get firearms - perfectly logical....but not backed up by data when it happens... have a look at the UK or Australia... the statistics not the continuation of the mob opinion..

Originally Posted by Sidney

Let me paraphrase that for you....just because a law doesn't do what it is supposed to, doesn't mean we shouldn't make it anyway....

Where is the evidence that these sort of laws stop any crime? Everybody talks hypothetically about this issue. It sounds like a great idea to make it harder to get firearms - perfectly logical....but not backed up by data when it happens... have a look at the UK or Australia... the statistics not the continuation of the mob opinion..

Lol sounds like Biden

Also the background check system in the states is fucked and easily circumvented = achieve fuck all.

USA has 5x the murder rate per capita of NZ and 18x the firearms homicide rate per capita over NZ. Source, Wikipedia.

USA is hardly an example to follow.

True. I mis-remembered the rates.

Agree that we don't need the inequality, poverty, corruption, religious fundamentalism, etc, of the US


Definitely don't need their foreign policy

BH... congratulations on your distinction on the statistics topic you studied... I completely understand why you would want to discount facts if they don't suit your opinions.

Yes we all know about statistics, but I have a question... would you consider opinion without fact more or less dangerous?

Perhaps you could explain to me also how Mr Mueller would substantially improve his budget with such a downturn in requirement. Are you into conspiracy theories as well.. They are great places for opinion in the absence of facts. Heck that is what the whole anti gun debate is based on.

No offense to anyone but this shit comes up every 5 minutes from where ever in the world it happens- not here.
Population plays a big place percentage wise but is this topic something we need to draw attention to NZ wise given this forums search engine 'appeal' ?
We rank VERY highly- the anti vote prob isn't the look we're wanting and the position of those making their point chooses what we portray as a whole.
It's not a vote, but surly this shit isn't in our favor as gun owners as a whole ?

If you want to give those who want to moan about how NZ is just like LAs gang banger suburbs more ammo then by all means go ahead, but end if the day the more attention drawn to this minority US rubbish that's being given in the media etc the worse OUR chances are of a normal firearms existence.

Personally I'm sick of hearing about the whole thing and just want to be left alone to have fun and shoot stuff with cool guns. I don't want to shoot people or talk about it.

Originally Posted by gimp

Personally I'm sick of hearing about the whole thing and just want to be left alone to have fun and shoot stuff with cool guns. I don't want to shoot people or talk about it.

Hear hear!
My point exactly

Originally Posted by Spanners

Hear hear!
My point exactly

Thought one of you may have pulled the political plug and pushed the leave it alone button by now. Where does this always lead to... NO where..
Deja Vu from last weeks episode ?? Feels like ..

Not contributing alternative opinion to the simplistic routine beatup, that happens every time this happens is a strategy you think is working?

I'm just sick of having the same argument over and over again every week with different people who have the same dumbass ideas


BUT PEOPLE SHOULDN'T BE ALLOWED TO HAVE THOSE SCARY THINGS BECAUSE I JUST WANT A HUNTIN RAHFUL

With the amount of guns in the U.S. more people die at the hands of doctors than firearms

As I've said before, AR's have been available on A cat for some time now, since they were first imported, but more recently in large numbers, I'm still yet to see an explosion in gun violence. Maybe it's because they are being bought up by people with a firearms license, and being used for hunting and target shooting?