Anyone casting 12ga slugs that fit inside a wad, or know where I can buy 'em?
I've been shooting factory slugs out of a smoothbore 12ga but it leads up terribly, keen to try the wadded ones before I buy a mold.
Printable View
Anyone casting 12ga slugs that fit inside a wad, or know where I can buy 'em?
I've been shooting factory slugs out of a smoothbore 12ga but it leads up terribly, keen to try the wadded ones before I buy a mold.
Um..... to be a little more precise, don't you mean inside a sabot? Which I think is now illegal
Nah, like those Lee key drive slugs, or Lyman giant airgun pellet slugs (I've only read about them in the forum, never seen them). Added a picture, that might make more sense!Attachment 151054
Also, nope, they're not illegal nor are sabot shotshell rounds, can read here:
Arms (Prohibited Ammunition) Order 2019 (LI 2019/137) (as at 20 December 2019) Schedule Ammunition declared prohibited ammunition – New Zealand Legislation
they were for sale on trademe pretty much anytime Ive looked for last few years....you CAN get round ball sinker of correct diameter and drop that inside you wad too...not hard to work out correct diameter...better too small than too big.
Yep, I'm keen to go the Rizla route. I didn't realise how much leading I'd get from the factory rifled slugs - I've only reloaded black shotshell before. I'm pretty keen to use a 12ga slug I can drop into normal wads, figure it's good to keep things simple (and cheap!).
On the illegal ammo thing - the order linked above banning ammo specifically exempts shotshell, sabot or otherwise :-)
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
Your image tickled the little gray cells and I went searching and found i had a 100 pack of Lyman 520 gr 12gauge slugs. Just like the right hand ones in your image. AS I remember they WERE illegal when the bozos were in a frenzy of law changes as they did not exclude them. SO I had put them aside.
Seems, subsequently they amended the "Law"
I could sent you some freebee slugs and sabots if you want to run trials. PM me with your address.
Thanks! I'll keep an eye out on TradeMe! I've been out goating with factory slugs a lot, good out to about 80m, but after a few shots I need to have a rod and lead brush with me or they start going all over the place. It's also a lot of fun, if expensive, ringing gongs with slugs!
These are fun on goats, go off like a crack from a rifle, good out to 100 metres...haven't made any for a while, usually make the slugs during the winter in the wood burner.
Attachment 151055
are you using rifled slugs in a rifled barrel????? because you shouldnt or will get the leading issues you talking about.... the rifled barrels are for sabotted rounds or indeed inside wadded ones...and dont bother trying birdshot or buckshot as it just makes pretty doughnut patterns ...really big doughnuts.
Never tried a rifled shotgun barrel, all smoothbore (not even pitted!), seems to happen with any factory slug - those Proshot Tornado brushes pull heaps of lead out after a handful of shots.
I kinda want to try the donut thing out of one now though... a good shot'd be a miss every time?
I know of someone who casts the lyman and lee mould ones.
I have a mould for the Lee one if that helps. It's a little rusted, and a little rough, you can have it if you do any casting.
If small footprint doesn't want the mold I'll definitly take it please.
Please, yeah, I'm keen to try one. If it doesn't work out for me I'll get hold of you @Marty Henry
I used a lee mold they have a bar across the inside of them. Just carefully cut the top off a shell and pour the shot out and poke the slug in the cup.
If you dont cut too much off you can roll crimp it. Surprisingly accurate.
I cast my own Lyman 525gr slugs, reasonably accurate too, ive tinkered with cutting the petals back and off, even used ballistic product cushions wads, a load of fun!
@Smallfoot if your really going to go down the rabbit hole flick me an email and ill send you some ideas on things to look out for
I do the same with cheap clay shooting rounds, pick the star crimp open, pour out the shot, melt it and cast 1oz slugs with the Lee mold then poke them back in and roll crimp them. Haven't tried hunting with them but consistently does minute of A4 paper @ 50mtrs at the range
Yeah used the gun club ammo too. They will go right through a goats backbone at 60 yds.
Got a sxs shortened by 6in and express sights.
Poor mans double rifle.
doesnt work well...have tried and gave up....the old stories of doing so to increase range of birdshot have grain of truth as it was in days BEFORE plastic wad cups....
as for cut shells....yeah well at 5 yards maybe...but to say they as good as a solid is pure BS.
Ive shot bailed pigs with birdshot...at VERY close range eg under 3 yards payload still hits as clump and wad will often enter hole too. done it with .410 on wallaby under 5 yards as well....
logic would suggest it will be similar to what the shot was going to be doing...1100fps or thereabouts....it wasn't until steel hunting loads got tweaked that shotgun birdshot loads got above 1300fps,most have always been 1100-1200fps because with lead shot that's what patterns best.
Prohibited ammunition:
"Discarding-sabot ammunition (excluding shotgun cartridges)
Legal Definition:
"Small-diameter projectiles designed to pierce armour that are placed into
a supporting plug (a sabot) and then pushed down the bore as an assembly;
the sabot is stripped off when the assembly leaves the barrel"
---
This law clearly targets armour-piercing projectiles.
I read that you can have discarding sabot ammo as long as it is not armour piercing, whether rifle or shotgun. Paper patching bullets / boolits has never been made illegal either.
I never experience leading with any of the slug types. Here's a Lee 1oz @1330fps on a my chrony at 2 metres.
The Lyman 525 gr ( pellet shape) slugs make a whistling sound and never hit anything that I aim at. Round ball 480gr are more accurate than they should be, roughly equal to the Lee 1 oz at a modest 50 metres, at anything more from my smooth bore guns, is a crap shoot.Attachment 151087Attachment 151088
I am interested in doing a couple of single shot shotguns I have up as sluggers with shorter barrels & rifle sights. Just as a novelty thing really but curious to see the results & maybe use them on a few Hares for giggles. I'm Christchurch based & would be keen to load some up or buy slugs or pool resources to load up some with other forum members as I have trapshooting reloading gear ( lots of wads, shot in various sizes, primers & shells. Just need powder to suit)
Next time I get the pot out, I'll cast up some 1oz Lee Keydrives and send you some down to try.
Cheers, that would be fantastic.
I've been having a bit of fun with a pedersoli muzzle loading shotgun lately and patched 16 gauge round ball slugs. The accuracy with just the bead is 6 shots into a 10 inch circle at 50 yards next step is to fit a low profile rear sight to see how much better it can get.
I went through a phase of all kind of crazy testing in my younger years.
Loads of wax/pellet slugs and the like - most interesting though, 15mm socket actually makes a good mould for a pretty decent slug. Amusing at short range, tumbles at any distance.
Strangely enough I read something other day on an african big game website.
Thread was poor man's double or something like that.
Fellow did some PH work and tried using buckshot for the smaller DG work ie wounded leopards. Not a fan.
Ended up shortening a SxS shortie and installing a rear peep and low front sight.
Still close range but way happier with brenneke slugs than buckshot.
Done lots of work with 12bore slugs & balls, balls are easy & all you need for most animals, think Musket for hundreds of years, I have rifled single barrel shoots balls into same hole 25yds & bigger hole at 50yd, got similar results with a double I fitted sights to, not that tight but usable .
I also have a 15lb 12bore 3in Double Rifle by Tolley which is crazy powerful & would take all big game .
Buckshot is only for very light game, very close unless you have a specialized choke & cartridge I reckon .
Here is some of the Buckshot out of a small Leopard, 2 different sizes & multiple shots with pistol shots added, only stopped when the 06 was used .
Attachment 152492
On behalf of @ebf may I extend your and your 12 bore double an invitation to next year's biggish bore shoot. It would certainly make a hit with the targets.
This was the article in question. On tough muscled leopards, unless you got them right in the neck at very close range, buckshot was next to useless, hence evolving into a slugged up shottie. I do like the sights. Still did ok at reasonable distances
good use of a coach gun
https://www.africahunting.com/thread...e-rifle.47839/
Here's my one. Haven't fired it for a while but it will put a slug from each barrel 2 inches apart at 60 yds. 20 in barrels.
https://i.ibb.co/ZKLr0nW/sh002.jpg
@Brian nice one mate
Here is my Tolley, its built on 8 rifle bore action or 4 Bore Shotgun action .
Attachment 152498
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYHvC9TtutU
Bit of a laugh, sabot rifled slugs out of a Browning.
@Brian what sort of sights did you fit?
Funnily enough i was out at my closest gunsmith, gundocs old apprentice and this came up. We were chatting while he was removing a busted stock out of a very glued together bedding job. Not him i might add
He has an old SxS that is only 16-18" long.
fitted some sights and then for shitz and gigs, fitted a scope mount on the rib with a pistol scope on there. Think he said it can flip over too real quick if you really need the opens.
Not everyone's cup of tea but the shotty cost about 60 bucks so nothing lost.
shoots slugs well and very close together at fiddy yards too