So is there anyone in nz that does comp work on shot guns?
Specifically versamax for 3 gun type shooting....
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So is there anyone in nz that does comp work on shot guns?
Specifically versamax for 3 gun type shooting....
Don't know of anyone myself but what are you wanting done B?
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get ahold of reese at serious shooters in auckland he knows of someone
Don't really like the feeding. ie carrier is to short (and that's the comp one as well as the factory one), having the factory one extended local now and I'll see how that works
Other thing may be to open up the feed port. Maybe play with the spring tension(can do this my self - ie I have a pair of side cutters!:) ). Smooth/lighten up the trigger,
So just a general going over really.
Really happy with how it shoots and feels, its just the loading that I think could be better - plus my technique....
I am buying one that has this:http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/07...8435e6d96e.jpg
Is this what you mean?
Buying off a forum member. I will ask where he got it if you want. Or he can chime in.
I am also slow with my loading but am trialing a method where I can load 2 at a time on my benelli.
Speed depends on getting a few things right which I need serious practice in😆
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I think those loaders put you in a class that I do not intend to shoot.
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here ya go
Tubular Magazine Speed Loader - Gun Hub
bugger!! sorry just saw your post above.
Speed loader like that is for open
Lengthened and welded lifter above was sourced from a popular versa max modifier in US. Port was smoothed by hand and can/needs to be done deeper and more aggressive. Forearm on Versamax also needs back filling and linished to allow better flow of the hand when quad or load 2 loading. Polish shell stop and bend a tiny bit. Polish inside of mag tube etc. Lots of other small things can help. Practice and familiarity of handling and loading under pressure is the best bang for buck.
While we're talking about 3-gun shotguns, where in NZ can I get a new lifter for my M2 that won't rip my thumbnail off? & an extended bolt release
Yip thats the one.
I got the remington comp carrier aswell, and its still not long enough, so having a local guy weld/extend the normal one and i'll try the no.8 wire approach first up for the carrier.
I'm a bit nervous about doing the port myself, but i'll get over that and give it a go - whats the worst that can happen ;)
Oh and practice on loading....
I know a couple of guys that changed their expensive shotguns into expensive paper weights. Most guys do the work themselves with a dremel and file, there are a few how to videos. I wanted it to look better so I had someone mill it.
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Obviously the recent Taran Tactical modded shotguns have a much deeper cut than mine. My bolt was lightened;purely to see if it could be done, I'm not good enough with a shotgun to notice the difference in cycling speed. The bolt was also modded to allow out of battery loading. Although he didn't do mine Andy W. is I think doing mods as a business (Ballistix?). You'll also note the load port opening on the latest TT shotgun is asymmetric.
Darren Keen had lifters a while back, could be worth ringing him
Thanks for that, didn't think of them for bits
The one they list -
Remington Versamax 3 Gun Style Carrier | Shotgun Parts | Taieri Arms
Is the one I got (in addition to the standard), and its to short still.....
Chameleon Load 2 Belt is what you need, 28 rnds on your waist, under 4 seconds to load 10 rounds with a little practise.
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Had my lifter welded up and tidied it up myself with the dremel, very important not to bend it while working on it, bend mine slightly and took all night to straighten. Modified my bolt to allow ghost loading, slightly pointless in tactical div because I can fit 10 in the tube +1 in chamber and 1 Ghost loaded
Don't cut your magazine springs down until you've reduced the tension from your spring stop, it provides 99% of the resistance, have scalloped and polished my shell stops and cut larger nicks in the side to reduce the tension.
Since the photo have cut my load port assymetrically like the TT photo
Out of interest, what ammo do you use for 3gun comps?
Slugs?
cheers Grant
Mostly Rio 2.75" #7.5 28gr, or sometimes Falcon #4 2.5" ipsc short rounds if the course suits, a couple guys in our club cast and load slugs if we need them. I hear the South Island Nationals in 2 weeks gonna be no slugs though
What do you mean by out of battery loading? The one gripe I have with my M2 is that I can't load the mag without having one in the chamber (or the bolt closed at least). I'd love to be able to have the chamber open and visibly safe, yet the magazine loaded. Is this possible in any way? Even better if I could load the mag with the chamber open the whole time.
Out of battery loading is where on the odd occasion the BCG didn't seat properly. When this happens the lifter won't rise high enough to enable you to load more rounds unless you have done the mod. Honestly it isn't that useful especially if you have an "e" cat. shotgun with an extended tube. I did it more as an academic exercise to see if it could be done locally. It should be said the same thing can be accomplished by filing down the lip of the lifter an easy an much cheaper part to replace than what I had done of milling the BCG. Again it was an academic exercise an I told the gunsmith who did it I wouldn't hold him accountable if it didn't pan out; he'd never done this sort of job before (though he is skilled and very experienced engineer/gunsmith) and I only gave him the broadest of instructions and a couple of downloaded pictures I thought he did a brilliant job.
I don't think there is a mod that gets around the lifter locking on running dry, many people have taken to using matchsaverz or the like.
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With practice it is incredibly quick to flick the extra shell in though you also really should have an enlarged bolt release to make it work well.
Yeah that factory bolt release is pretty stiff + tiny
20 rounds shotgun, you can have as big a mag extension as you want. I'll have a SXS.
Any takers?
Just pure speed?
It would be best to hit what your aiming at.
I 2nd that, here's my video from this weekends 3 gun practice. I'm on the left, a guy I'm up against is on the right, we both have the load 2 belt and 10rnd magazine tubes, he outshoots me but i outload him, bet him by 4 seconds
https://youtu.be/0DI8tMPgG5g
??? Righto 60-70m looper/chandell off a loaded spring. 2 rnds per target.
I would bet I probably wouldn't have to use many rounds to beat your score of zero😆
If it is speed based, you are simply dreaming.
We have a member of the club who has won the NZ CAS shotgun stage (sxs) many times and he takes more than 2 seconds per load and fire. And considering most people can empty an 8+1 auto accurately in under 3 seconds,(very conservative) what are you getting at?
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And then what do they do? I keep shooting because load time is so fast.
Put another way, in the right place duck shooting we can continously shoot for half an hour or more. The auto ends up as a single shot and is a real pain in the arse costing birds. A double with ejectors is one long string of shots that doesn't stop.
Getting 9 shots off fast is no big deal, 9 shots in five seconds or whatever is fine. Pull the trigger.
Getting 50 off accurately and consistently is.
Hell, I use the auto spotlighting and it's great for that, same through the day on ducks for a bit of fun. The target being to get a bird for every shot.
But when the numbers get serious the double comes out...
So we are talking ducks now?
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Unless you quantify what you're doing with a timer you can't actually make any comparison, I would be very surprised to see someone with a double get off 20 aimed rounds faster than a competent 3 gun shooter
Any shotgunning is the same, rabbits, ducks, targets it doesn't matter. Continuous shooting is best with a double, autos are fine for a burst but unless you are clip feeding good luck keeping up with a double 20 gauge with ejectors.
And how many clips can you carry at once?
I do know of one guy that could do it with an old browning two (three?) shot auto, but that is not the norm.
In fact I'll get a hold of @Bull Tahr and see when their gun club is having their fun shoots.
Given that the challenge was made in the context of a thread specifically about 3gun, a 3gun style exercise would be more relevant
Yeah I'd love to someone run a 42 round stage with a double barrel shotgun, especially seeing as a standard shotgun belt holds 25 rounds so you might have a full pocket...
my three gun shotgun Attachment 3928420 round mags i have a few
You are not making any sense or I am just lost.
First challange was 20 rnds, you with a sxs and someone with an auto........at what?
Now your talking about continuous shooting at clays.
Have you represented NZ with a shotgun in any dicipline or are you one of those, that assume you are naturally better than anyone with that ability?
You claim autos can't keep up, based on shooting at ducks sometimes on a pond?
Have you ever done rabbits out of a helicopter?
We used to empty a normal bucket of shells every 40 mins refuel and carry on for another 40 mins from dawn till dark on some stations.
We got rid of a literal pallet load of shells from 2 guns, one helicopter in 2 weeks.
Both guns are still shooting deer and have probably fired another pallet load of ammo since. Both were super 90 benellis.
Can you clarify your 20 rnd challenge please.
I personally am new to 3gun and need to improve my loading speed but I have no trouble with accuracy on stationary targets and would happily accept a challenge from you at a skeet or sporting event using my auto.
I shot my last major event in 2011 so I am a bit rusty😆
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