Thread: This week we test a old shot gun for steel shot

i think it illustrates a point nicely.
there are people who think because a 3 inch shell fits into a 2 3/4 inch chamber ''its ok''
ive run into some guys who were told thier 18 inch barrelled riot gun with buckshot was fine for geese.
kotuku was there that day and was incredulous as well as highly offended at their ignorance.
no permits either

Originally Posted by gsp follower

i think it illustrates a point nicely.
there are people who think because a 3 inch shell fits into a 2 3/4 inch chamber ''its ok''
ive run into some guys who were told thier 18 inch barrelled riot gun with buckshot was fine for geese.
kotuku was there that day and was incredulous as well as highly offended at their ignorance.
no permits either

have actually seen that guy went into a gun shop with a side by side (he didn't speak much English eastern European) they tested the chokes they were very tight and the guy at the shop told him that it cant shoot steel without the chokes being reamed and that they didn't have any 2 3/4 steel only 3 and that wont fit he dropped one in and goes see it fits the sales guy begged him not to buy the ammo and shoot it through the gun but he still walked out the door with some 3 inch steel

i do not have a great deal of sympathy for absolute idiots.yes there is a lot of ignorance around firearms,especially shotguns.shops that sell ammo have an obligation(in my opinion) to provide education to the people who buy it.i sold a shotgun,an italian u/o to a young shooter i explained to him and his father the maximum loads it could fire,the chamber size,chokes etc.three years later he rings me up and says the gun has a crack in the metal. i said what have you been firing in it? Oh,42gm goose loads,( bought for him by his father!). his father is otherwise an intelligent man. yes i don't like things tarted to exaggerate,nor do i like, you must buy the latest and greatest, without critical examination.nor do i like perfectly good shotguns however old, trashed because of their vintage. the russian bakail, is a very strong gun,tightly choked though it may be. i accept that it is difficult to relate to idiots,if they cannot process facts,but this should not determine where we set the bar.

Originally Posted by lophortyx

i do not have a great deal of sympathy for absolute idiots.yes there is a lot of ignorance around firearms,especially shotguns.shops that sell ammo have an obligation(in my opinion) to provide education to the people who buy it.i sold a shotgun,an italian u/o to a young shooter i explained to him and his father the maximum loads it could fire,the chamber size,chokes etc.three years later he rings me up and says the gun has a crack in the metal. i said what have you been firing in it? Oh,42gm goose loads,( bought for him by his father!). his father is otherwise an intelligent man. yes i don't like things tarted to exaggerate,nor do i like, you must buy the latest and greatest, without critical examination.nor do i like perfectly good shotguns however old, trashed because of their vintage. the russian bakail, is a very strong gun,tightly choked though it may be. i accept that it is difficult to relate to idiots,if they cannot process facts,but this should not determine where we set the bar.

I don't know why you keep call it a russian bakail as its not is made in Spain and Im sorry if it up sets you trashing old guns that ant real fit for much , but i thought it was a good use for it and if it stops one person doing it was worth it

ok dskd i only viewed the video once,however the fact that its not a bakail doesn't suprise me,a bakail would have withstood that onslaught for more than two shots. i accept that you are doing it to educate/promote,but i have been around long enough to remember the scaremongering over damascus barrels which led to the demise of many a good gun.also gunshops seem happy to sell ammo which is unsuitable for various shotguns, i don't see that they take on any responsibility there? just my thoughts.

Originally Posted by lophortyx

i do not have a great deal of sympathy for absolute idiots.yes there is a lot of ignorance around firearms,especially shotguns.shops that sell ammo have an obligation(in my opinion) to provide education to the people who buy it.i sold a shotgun,an italian u/o to a young shooter i explained to him and his father the maximum loads it could fire,the chamber size,chokes etc.three years later he rings me up and says the gun has a crack in the metal. i said what have you been firing in it? Oh,42gm goose loads,( bought for him by his father!). his father is otherwise an intelligent man. yes i don't like things tarted to exaggerate,nor do i like, you must buy the latest and greatest, without critical examination.nor do i like perfectly good shotguns however old, trashed because of their vintage. the russian bakail, is a very strong gun,tightly choked though it may be. i accept that it is difficult to relate to idiots,if they cannot process facts,but this should not determine where we set the bar.

i do have some sympathy for a keen newbie without the rellies or aquaintaNCES TO DO THINGS RIGHT.
but yes there is enormous responcibility on sellers to see that what they sell is well explained and if any stupidity is present dont sell.
i dont know if its todays generation or what but the dont seem to like asking questions or bieng asked either.??
kotuku id forgotten about the ''loaded'' bit they were a revelation those boys.

Originally Posted by gsp follower

i think it illustrates a point nicely.
there are people who think because a 3 inch shell fits into a 2 3/4 inch chamber ''its ok''
ive run into some guys who were told thier 18 inch barrelled riot gun with buckshot was fine for geese.
kotuku was there that day and was incredulous as well as highly offended at their ignorance.
no permits either

incredulous ,read fucking angry.these frigging clowns had no bloody idea what they were doing. they boasted of going down to "blow parries away ,for fun man dont need a license" FFS Id just watched them try and tow a Quad bike out of a hole with a trail bike ,before all of them had to manhandle both out!
weapons safety -no existent shotgun tossed by one caught by another.GSPF timely arrival prevented me from really doing my scone!
ringleader "-use buckshot for everything this wee beauty(excuse me whilst i chunder)handles em all!!!!!!!"
""Im a pighunter ,got mates on a farm down south heaps of pigs ......blah blah blah"(do pigs die of laughter??????)
Now wait for it
GSPF-"is it loaded??????"

"HOW DO YOU UNLOAD IT-" yes you heard it me the dick heads response.
I took off around the offside of my truck to give myself a bloody good talking to .I honestly felt an overwhelming urge to whip in grab the fucking thing ,drop it down the close by longdrop shitter ,the grab my trusty escort and play the idiots 2step as I serenaded the wankers with FUCK off !!
whoever supplied that weapon&ammo to those imbeciles should be courtmartialled for negligence!
sorry for hijacking the thread folks but this was so dangerous i had to enlarge on it!