This is why I don't get trials, down here we have lots of rabbits so why would you not trial on them? Perfect! Heaps of them so no excuse not to be training hard.
And trials were you actually shoot stuff, seems to easy to me.....
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This is why I don't get trials, down here we have lots of rabbits so why would you not trial on them? Perfect! Heaps of them so no excuse not to be training hard.
And trials were you actually shoot stuff, seems to easy to me.....
with continental dogs you most certainly could Wirehunt but that's not my thing as I am a upland game purist and my Dog is not allowed to react around fur .I used to run my GSP on rabbits and it was a lot of fun when he held a solid point for me to dispatch the hole digger
A good dog should be right on both......
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should and reality are often different .A rabbit is so much fun for a dog to chase --sometimes they just cant help themselves and in a trial field your history real quick if that happens -best for me to teach my dog to ignore
If it has been trained to point etc then there should be NO chasing going on.
Wirehunt,
The problem is the P&S class in NZ lumps together all the HPR breeds plus the Pointer, and setters (Irish, English, Gordon etc).
When our NZ trials were invented the HPR breeds were not around and were not popular.
When the HPRs gained momentum, they got lumped in with the P&S breeds because the way they indicate the game was by "pointing".
Trouble is, no one thought to adapt the field trial rules to suit.
The P&S trials penalise chasing, so yes, a dog properly taught manners and able to adhere to the rules as well is a winner. The NG trials while not pefect, allow our dogs more freedom to show how they work BUT as I have said, are not held in the South.
Add to that, anyone wanting to compete at national level for titles (ie NZ, NI and SI Championships) MUST still do the standard pigeon trials as there are no such titles for NG - in both P&S and Spaniel.
How many of you that scoff at the trials actually compete in them - or have done it in the past?
If you have, you know damn well that the majority of successful triallists are infact seasoned hunters who work their dogs all year around.
Gundog trials actually teach you to train manners into your dog, which in turn leads to a well trained hunting mate who works with you on any terrain and for any game.
Why put up with a lousy pointer/setter/HPR who continually bumps game up out of shotgun range, stuffs up retrieves and wont go thru water to get back what you shot.
Our trials are by no means perfect and I would like to see the P&S revamped to include an option for a water test of some kind, but it is very frustrating to cop criticism for our trials when the national body will not and has not for a long time, remotely considered updating the concept of P&S v's HPR gundog breed competitions.
We who do trials make the most of what we are given.
I have, and with several different dogs. Some of them get used on everything I hunt and as a rule there is no cross over, although they have been out rabbiting then ended up on pig ;)
I don't know how they work it out, like some places I used to rabbit on we also shot ducks. When we are duck shooting they know it.
get along to the trial down your way and let us know your thoughts !!! Im sure youll see it as another potentual past time and Ill sell you a English Setter next year to beat everyone with ;)
I can't keep up with the pastimes now el b. ;)
An English Setter trained well will bring you much happiness -of course that mixed with a Tweed suit --oohh yeah youll have it made !!!girls birds the world
el borracho, do you have one of those suits in your avatar?
This will probably sound gay but I want a suit like that, then get a side by side and go pigeon shooting. idk why just seems like something fun to do.
I have a good contact for you Toby -you dont have to shoot and look like your there to dig a ditch:thumbsup:
Might get my mum to buy some stuff and see if I still have my sewing skill. I was pretty good at that back in the day
its Tweed Toby best buy the stuff in. Shooting jacket with Action Back Price: £99.99
--Tweed BreeksPrice: £59.99-- TRACERboots mens (GREEN)price: £39.9
Easy Fit GarterPrice: £14.99
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Im not sure, thats a few boxes of shotty bullets right there. I might ask my dad if I can have his olden day clothes haha they look a bit like that. Could I use my green beret or my blue one and just take the cadet badge off it?
upnorth uplander i could see you dressed like this:D
Just thinking, here's another great Toby idea. Buy a camo sheet from warehouse, cut out a neck hole and some arm holes then just throw a balaclava on. Also a sheet shouldn't be to hot to be in for in hot weather if its cold throw some clothes on underneath.
yep very Styly Toby--the cammo KKK:wtfsmilie:
Three k's a day keeps the ni***s away :D Nah think of it as a cheap Mexican poncho.
very quick Toby
I am quick, like a forum ninja. That or its because I have no life and live on here.
join the great unloved :thumbsup:
Do you have a suit Tussock?
surely winter in the south he would have icicles hanging of his extremities
i float like a butterfly and am sty leeee:P here ya go toby
Your missing something... A GUN!!!
its in the ROLLS
Ahh righto. I better stop coming in here everytime I see your pic I want that outfit. so many wants so little money.
Not that costly Victoria! check he link above out-one page back
Do you know much about quality shotguns?
Wirehunt, I share your view but with pigeon trials in particular you are not allowed to shoot them...good dog, it might offend someone...seriously the governance on that was during the 1950s I think!! and fair enough too, I guess as not all trialists are shooters or hunters.
I am at a loss however to understand why the mainland P & S fraternity cannot organise live game trials...considering that the Spaniel people hold them down there on the preserves...wouldnt it just be a case of talking to someone?????
Rabbits are forbidden quarry for the P & S...although again the Spaniel lot are ok with it...
If I lived on the mainland my biggest concern for the trials down there would be how to increase numbers of participants and their dogs...the recent QC trial held near Rotorua attracted an entry of 16 dogs...
The reason the P&S QC trials are popular is because the P&S NG trialists and the "pigeon" trialists can all come together to compete on an equal basis for a qualification.
It is widely accepted that training on pigeons is one of the best methods of teaching pointing dogs manners, because you can release the bird in a controlled situation.
The best way to teach them manners whatever the real meaning of that is, is to establish good control and hunt them...
Since I'm not a trialer I'm struggling with thing's like P&S and a few other shorten up's. Would someone like to explain please?