Thread: english setter pups aussi

Originally Posted by Pointer

El B if it was that bad, then why wouldn't you get a locally bred show bitch to start with? there was a litter not long ago. Personally I would follow your route and get working stock, there is no excuse for taking a step backwards.

Ryen, they are not being bred due to the people behind the setters, not the dogs themselves. I think there would be enough interest for a litter every so often. Obviously if you pumped out puppies like the trademe vizsla/gsp crowd then you will have trouble selling them, but from what I have gathered talking to people there is always moderate demand for a well bred working pointer or setter

Yep when good ones are bred, people buy them.

Originally Posted by Pointer

El B if it was that bad, then why wouldn't you get a locally bred show bitch to start with? there was a litter not long ago. Personally I would follow your route and get working stock, there is no excuse for taking a step backwards.

Ryen, they are not being bred due to the people behind the setters, not the dogs themselves. I think there would be enough interest for a litter every so often. Obviously if you pumped out puppies like the trademe vizsla/gsp crowd then you will have trouble selling them, but from what I have gathered talking to people there is always moderate demand for a well bred working pointer or setter

That is it when you talk to ES breeders.
EL b you seem to be planning a few litters but have you been involved with trying to sell a litter in NZ yet?
I have 8 dead keen but that is after about 3 years of networking.
The good setters in nz naturally adjust there rang depending on cover so there should be no reason to breed a slower dog really.

Good point, there is a young setter here, while a different colour to yours, who will spaniel in the tight and open up in the clear, seems to be a trait of setters in general. You have to remember, they were the HPR breed before the term was invented.

As for selling pups, I'd imagine half of each litter would end up in Aussie?

luckily the ES seems to be flavour of the month in oz. So it seems they will take the excess at the moment but again you wouldn't want to just asume.

Don't get me wrong. I would love to see more WELL BRED ES in the field. It is just a hard market here.

HARD MARKET , that could well be true CMORE I think it more of a style thing -we have it the others dont !!

Dream on

Real style

Originally Posted by el borracho

His original well breed dog has been put to a show Setter either once or twice and that Dog was not either of those lines , please correct me if I am incorrect -Breeder
Mrs L and Mr R Parekowhai Rivendell Kennels - English Setters in New Zealand - Welcome to our new Website Address

The Parekowhai's have the Hei Tiki line (35+ years) and don't have a website - they don't even have a computer.

Lyn's family in Australia also bred ES - ?La Salle - and looking at http://www.williewalker.net/dogarchi...s.php?id=19233 she has continued to breed very true to that type.

Originally Posted by HF1

The Parekowhai's have the Hei Tiki line (35+ years) and don't have a website - they don't even have a computer.

Lyn's family in Australia also bred ES - ?La Salle - and looking at The Willie Walker English Setter Database she has continued to breed very true to that type.

Not being rude, but what does that mean?

Originally Posted by Ruff

Not being rude, but what does that mean?

Did you mean the Willie Walker Eng Setter Database or that she breeds true to type. I was referring to the fact that there are old photos on that database and the look of her dogs hasn't changed from those on the database - no breeding for the latest 'fad' like we've seen in the show lines.

And I was wrong about her family having the La Salle line. There is a tie up with La Salle but the family line was Wendover.

I always thought Wendover was strictly Irish Setters.

Originally Posted by el borracho

HARD MARKET , that could well be true CMORE I think it more of a style thing -we have it the others dont !!

El B, style a hunter does not make...its the brains, the nose, the drive that is exciting, not some glamour puss strutting its stuff...

Originally Posted by EeeBees

El B, style a hunter does not make...its the brains, the nose, the drive that is exciting, not some glamour puss strutting its stuff...

got all that shit to ,payed a buck fifty and up sized

Originally Posted by EeeBees

El B, style a hunter does not make...its the brains, the nose, the drive that is exciting, not some glamour puss strutting its stuff...

Style incorporates every element you suggest... style doesn;t mean it has a Gucci vest, as most all gun dog trainers and handlers know, style is an all encompassing term for how it does its overall job,.