Has everyone shot their dogs and given up?

I heard on the radio the other day that the twigs and tweeters reckon that the kiwi on the main islands will be 'extinct' in fifty years...like DOC liberating kiwi in a patch of native forest in upper Hawkes Bay some years ago...they were liberating birds where there was NO LEAF MOULD, humus negliable...you cannot just whack up a fence around a patch of bush in which and through which bovines and ovines graze and camp and throw in a few kiwi...while it might make everyone involved feel warm and fuzzy, it doesn't work like that.

Wikipedia has this to say re 1080 and the kiwi...

In 2004, anti-1080 activist Phillip Anderton posed for the New Zealand media with a kiwi he claimed had been poisoned. An investigation revealed that Anderton lied to journalists and the public. He had used a kiwi that had been caught in a possum trap. Extensive monitoring shows kiwi are not at risk from the use of biodegradable 1080 poison.


The poor dog...gets blamed for most stuff...how many kiwi are eaten by humans every year? Now there's a worthy hypothesis:D

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Originally Posted by EeeBees

I heard on the radio the other day that the twigs and tweeters reckon that the kiwi on the main islands will be 'extinct' in fifty years...like DOC liberating kiwi in a patch of native forest in upper Hawkes Bay some years ago...they were liberating birds where there was NO LEAF MOULD, humus negliable...you cannot just whack up a fence around a patch of bush in which and through which bovines and ovines graze and camp and throw in a few kiwi...while it might make everyone involved feel warm and fuzzy, it doesn't work like that.

Wikipedia has this to say re 1080 and the kiwi...

In 2004, anti-1080 activist Phillip Anderton posed for the New Zealand media with a kiwi he claimed had been poisoned. An investigation revealed that Anderton lied to journalists and the public. He had used a kiwi that had been caught in a possum trap. Extensive monitoring shows kiwi are not at risk from the use of biodegradable 1080 poison.


The poor dog...gets blamed for most stuff...how many kiwi are eaten by humans every year? Now there's a worthy hypothesis:D

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I don't think kiwi are very good to eat. In all the research I did for the book 'Beneath the Southern Cross' I never found one statement on the quality of the flesh of kiwi. This says a lot from a race of born consumers of the flesh of nearly every creature of our forests and seas.

Feathers yes, they were much sought after. But apart from a remark about the birds flesh being musty there was no other references.

Extensive monitoring does show that Kiwi take cereal baits and 1080 has been found in Kiwi droppings.

Was the faecal matter of the bird analysed as part of a post mortem or was 1080 found in droppings...how long does it take to kill a kiwi with 1080?

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Was the faecal matter of the bird analysed as part of a post mortem or was 1080 found in droppings...how long does it take to kill a kiwi with 1080?

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I don't want to get too involved in this discussion on this thread. There is plenty of evidence of 1080s effects on all birds including kiwi. Let Google be your friend here.

Kiwi are killed by brodifacoum cereal baits. Same bait just a different flavour.

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Originally Posted by kawhia

My dogs all get the odd belt from a fence and still hunt.
All but one of mine are also fine with chickens too, but even that could be fixed with a set up and a collar.

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I found a four function training collar was effective for modifying some behavior problems & easier on the dog than then "Shock Collar " used for Kiwi safe certification . I think the later is far to aggressive & too hard on the dog (only my opinion).

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I don't want to get too involved in this discussion on this thread. There is plenty of evidence of 1080s effects on all birds including kiwi. Let Google be your friend here.

Kiwi are killed by brodifacoum cereal baits. Same bait just a different flavour.

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Except Brodifacoum kills over the period of about 20 days does it not? That was my understanding for possums anyway. I thought 1080 was a slightly faster version.

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Except Brodifacoum kills over the period of about 20 days does it not? That was my understanding for possums anyway. I thought 1080 was a slightly faster version.

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You are right in both cases. I was referring to the bait not the poison here.

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You are right in both cases. I was referring to the bait not the poison here.

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Ah rightio. We used to use Brodi then changed to Pindone for one reason or another. Never had anything to do with 1080 so it is interesting to know!

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Originally Posted by Ruff

Won't help mate. Electricity will destroy it for ever. I don;t fix dogs, i fix their owners, no point me doing anything with the dog if the owner doesn't change the dog won't. The behavior has more to do with the owner than the dog. If he won;t do anything, nothing will change. E-Collar will be the icing on the cake, the last fuck up before he shoots it. Tell him to save the money on the e-collar, rehome the dog and never get another one.

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I have tried mate I really have. I've told him I don't know how many times to come and see you or go and see Paul Hutton if he doesn't want to travel so far. But like I said to you on the phone a lot of people get the idea in their head that they can fix it, when really they can't. That's why I called you because I knew I couldn't handle it.

He recently had his stag do. It's a shame he didn't have the collar then otherwise it could have been part of the gag! Everytime he put a foot wrong.....zap :D

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Originally Posted by Gibo

@mucko and @Twoshotkill had it done recently. Boys what say you??

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I must say that the kiwi training worked on my boy. He got a nose full of kiwi on his second visit and retreated to my side in a panic !
And it has not affected his drive on hunting any other animals.... Including our cat!!

Not shot my boy Inti but sadly and happily all in the same breath my mate is going to live with a friend of mine and his family on a farm block .Now to concentrate on running my young dogs.