Has everyone shot their dogs and given up?:cool:
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Has everyone shot their dogs and given up?:cool:
Swapped mine for a cat and a gold fish , was a fair deal
Gave mine away and took up knitting
Has everyone shot their dogs and given up?
Not yet, but its getting closer.
Not going to shoot the dog as he is the only one that comes to meet me at the door EVERY day when I get home from work!
Started dog showing....
If I ever got so low in life force shooting my dogs would be the second to last thing I did...they truly are wo/man's best friend...they don't care what you wear, they don't give a rats if you come home from work smelling like a test specimen for a new deodorant, they are always honest, even when they have been bad...they will protect you with their life, they might leap around demanding food but they never nag you about money, where you were, why you were late home, they'll never nut off if you have been to see another dog...they only ever let you down cos you have let them down (training wise)...
My dog was out there last night,just waiting for some good weather to shoot his nuts off:D
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I have had my hands full
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I'm taking orders for 2015, could knit your new pup a bain jersey?
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I don't know how to start a new thread, but I have a conundrum.
I have owned and successfully hunted GWP's for many years now and have huge love and respect for their abilities and the very large quantities of meat and poultry they have allowed me to bag.
I have never used electric shocks on my dogs and do not believe in training by punishments, but by positive association. My dogs are very strong and willing hunters and setters including upland GAME, WATERFOWL, DEER AND PIGS, EVEN BUMBLEBEES in the garden.
I want to apply for certain hunting area permits but the conditions are that dogs must be certificated as having completed Kiwi aversion certification. The thought of some DoC greeny shocking my dogs is a nightmare to me. Am I wrong to worry and should I just allow my excellent and trusted dogs to undergo this treatment or not? What are the possible negative effects on hunting/ pointing, setting, retrieving and also on dog trust?
@mucko and @Twoshotkill had it done recently. Boys what say you??
I am of the opinion that my dog would be completely fucked if I did the kiwi aversion with him.
1) he would shut down, after a life of positive reinforcement he would withdraw and never work for a human ever again 2) I think it's bullshit and doesn't work - we've spent thousands of years breeding in the instinct to our dogs, they won't give a fuck about a shock last month when they looked at a frozen kiwi 3) I would hate myself for allowing, paying someone, to physically harm my animal.
My 2c! Good luck to you and your pooches.
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Ps it sounds like you've got enough places to hunt anyway if you've been doing it for years already - screw the kiwi blocks and keep doing what you're doing :-)
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All my old spots are 1080'd to hell and gone, so I am forced to start looking at private and Maori blocks. Many DoC areas now demand Kiwi aversion certs for dogs. I don't want to hunt without them as it is total enjoyment for them as much as for me. I know my dogs won't chase a bird to bite because they road the bird and point / set and do not fetch until commanded, but try explaining that to DoC!
Thats what every pig hunter tries to tell them too. :D
It doesn’t harm them. And the people that run the programs are usually doggy folks themselves, and not DOC “greeny” staff. My Wire has been through several times now. Only received one shock on the first bird, and hasn’t needed one since.
My certs have lapsed , but all of my dogs have been through aversion training, all have only had one shock and passed with no shock for every test after that
No cert no permit for us, never had any issues, and my current bitch is soft and timid, just let the trainer know that
You could try pull the wool and say its been done before so only a test needed and if shows no interest wont get a zap, say you lost your cert , did it up north or something
Dog might seem Ok, but what effect on confidence of pointing birds from then on??
I kick stones at my dogs when they point birds :)
mine still lick pots as good as any.
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Agree, none at all, my dogs are still bird mad after several rounds of Kiwi training. When I got my first pup done I was a bit paranoid so I took him the same afternoon onto some pheasants, didn't make a difference. The early certifiers used to zap them on the followup as well but Willie didn't even put the collar on them last time and there was no way they were going anywhere near the kiwi. It would be interesting to see what they would do with a real life kiwi but I think it would help.
My dogs all get the odd belt from a fence and still hunt.
All but one of mine are also fine with chickens too, but even that could be fixed with a set up and a collar.
Don't do it. Parts of the aversion training are meaningless really. When the stuffed kiwi is set up on the bushedge of course a dog is curious and wanders over to investigate. He/she gets a shock, what does that teach them. Not to be curious?. That's bloody useful.
Now if my older dog the only one that has had the training gets onto a scent of kiwi she will return to the vehicle
so it does work then.......... hardly the methods fault if your dog shuts down and a kiwi lives another day.
strange how a similar method works bloody well for stock training.
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I would say DOC has got enough going on with. This is Tongariro our most extensively poisoned Forest in NZ. FOREST OF THE FUTURE they call it.
Signs up in the Coromandel stating 'Dogs Kill Kiwi' are often changed to 'DOC KILL KIWI' .
Won't help mate. Electricity will destroy it for ever. I don;t fix dogs, i fix their owners, no point me doing anything with the dog if the owner doesn't change the dog won't. The behavior has more to do with the owner than the dog. If he won;t do anything, nothing will change. E-Collar will be the icing on the cake, the last fuck up before he shoots it. Tell him to save the money on the e-collar, rehome the dog and never get another one.