I have decided i have no idea what im doing and am in need of a bit more guidance.
Can anyone recomend any books to help me with training my dog???
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I have decided i have no idea what im doing and am in need of a bit more guidance.
Can anyone recomend any books to help me with training my dog???
What do you want it to do?
You will go a bit crosseyed but plenty to sift through on both forums on basic training etc
Did that guy you were given the contact of the thread you posted before give you much good info?
Also, twoshotkill, there is a short section in Red Deer in NZ by Lentle and Saxon which should give something to start on. If you've got the time, join your nearest gundog/GSP club; I'm sure that you'd get some help there. I think the one up here in Auckland puts on training courses.
Work in progress phillipgr, i have only got back on puter tonight
Found this
http://www.nzvhdta.co.nz/members/indicator.html
I was trying to find that link the other day. Someone posted it awhile back but I couldn't find it - cheers!
Found this link too
The Versatile Gun Dogs Index Page
A couple more by the same guy
Versatile Hunting Dog Test ASSN (NZ)
Versatile Hunting Dog Test ASSN (NZ)
PM me you email address Two Shoot I have something on email you may want to read.
there are a few books availble from the uk by guy wallace, covers alot in easy speak........ alot not relevent for our situation too.
That is some good information there Phillipgr and moonhunt. I'd be keen for any info as well Gibo :)
Phil has it covered actually. Mine was by the same author. Must have cut and pasted it onto an email for some reason.....he does a piece on Deer indicator dogs.
Herb Spannagl
Good info Tussock.
Seeing as I have a wire-haired pointer, I might look for someone who might have a similar breed.
*eyes Wirehunt suspiciously...* ;)
Beer.
Mate I had a look at what it was and its by the author that Phil attached earlier in the thread.
Herb Spannagl THE DEER INDICATOR DOG
Versatile Hunting Dog Test ASSN (NZ)
Wow heaps of info there peoples...Thanks
To answer wirehunt
The problems i am having is not what i want it to do but how to stop it from doing the things i dont want it to do.
I have got him heeling primo plus the standard sit stay etc around my own property but when he is in public or the bush it is a totaly different story and he is almost a totaly different dog with a hearing problem and no regard for choker chains.
I think the biggest problem is that i have only had him for a month and he is now 14 months old so at home he does what i want (and amazingly well) but anywhere else and i am having to get him out of old habits that the previous owner has allowed him to do.
When he gets excited he starts to bark and i cant seem to stop this.
Don't worry about the choker chain. Basic train him. He needs to learn to stop. That's it. That is your life until he does. Nothing else.
Then you can move onto other stuff. At a guess he's one of those dogs that's fine if his head is level with your knee, but if he gets a half a head in front he goes?
Walk along with him in tight, stop regularly with the same stop command every time. Walk 10 metres, stop, walk another 2 and stop, walk 50 and stop. Critical to use the same command every time. By voice for a while, then introduce hand then whistle.
Once he is smoking that bring out the longline, tie it to your nice wide belt. Walk him in the short lead at first and do a few stops, then unclip the short and keep doing the stops (long lead dragging behind and best done in a grassy park :D ). If he legs it batten down, when that rope runs out give the stop command. Then back to step one.
or teach him to sit........... then get him to sit at a distance.
buy it from amazon...... the guy selling it did.
well you stop it from doing the things it wants to do ,,,, by making it do the things you what it to do ... the dog does not want to please you, it wants to please itself
don't correct the dog for pulling the lead at max tension , you need to correct it the second it slow creeps
is your dog a pointer of some kind ??
Yes..... Viszla
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Nice head, Twoshotkill, Vizsla is handsome too!!
Thanks Ebs... I ignored everyones advice and took him for a hunt in the weekend ........... and am glad i did.. He was amazing...... he even pointed me into two stags that i didnt know were there and managed to shoot one i clean missed the other. Im a happy man!! He has just been given a big feed of fresh venison!
Read a good training book a very long time ago ,worth a read can't remember author,but title was Gun Dogs For Field or Trial.google that.was in local library. Burnell is the author
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My advice about training books is this...buy as many as you can, then throw them out the window...get your dog and go into his intended hunting environment as often as you possibly are able...you will learn more from your dog than any book will ever teach you...
most trianing books deal with the first part of your post 7mmwsm.
not everyone has the dog sence or training skills to even get a dog under res control.
learning on the hill makes a dog but breaks many more....... and in most cases it's not the dog fault.
OK I'll take a different approach, but one that is working for me. Find a mentor! Find someone who has the dog you want, and do what he does. I agree, most books are worthless. There is the odd gem amongst them but thats it. All the instruction in the world is worthless without you doing it
mentors,books, joining a club,trialling and asking for advise from those doing it already, it's all part of putting the effort in.