Thread: Is the Deer Dog Blueprint any good?

Cons - it is super strict and not ideal for a dog in a family. Realistically most people are going to struggle to lock their new puppy outside in a kennel or crate when young kids want to hang out with it. And the "significant other" may have strong opinions (possibly not grounded in reality) that differ from Mr Michaels around strictness with dogs. It was a real stress point for us both and I'd probably struggle to sell the idea of training another dog (I've already floated the idea for 6-8 years time).

And this is the main reason why we have all the issues with dogs in this day and age. Dogs aren’t toys for kids to play with and they’re not some fur baby that should be treated like a child. Plain and simple. This is why we have over stimulated, ignorant, badly behaved dogs majority of the time.
I’m more than happy to have a dog inside, but it’s on a mat or a dog bed or invited calmly to sit next to a child on the couch while they watch tele. There has to be a balance and the first year of training should have a lot of structure and strictness because it’s the base for all the following years.

Originally Posted by McNotty

Cons - it is super strict and not ideal for a dog in a family. Realistically most people are going to struggle to lock their new puppy outside in a kennel or crate when young kids want to hang out with it. And the "significant other" may have strong opinions (possibly not grounded in reality) that differ from Mr Michaels around strictness with dogs. It was a real stress point for us both and I'd probably struggle to sell the idea of training another dog (I've already floated the idea for 6-8 years time).

And this is the main reason why we have all the issues with dogs in this day and age. Dogs aren’t toys for kids to play with and they’re not some fur baby that should be treated like a child. Plain and simple. This is why we have over stimulated, ignorant, badly behaved dogs majority of the time.
I’m more than happy to have a dog inside, but it’s on a mat or a dog bed or invited calmly to sit next to a child on the couch while they watch tele. There has to be a balance and the first year of training should have a lot of structure and strictness because it’s the base for all the following years.

This fella normally comes inside each night from 6 - 9ish before going back out to his kennel for the night. He stays on his bed and is only allowed off with approval. On real cold nights I sometimes get soft and let him sleep inside but I have to be careful as he never got inside toilet trained due to having spent his entire puppy life in a kennel (bit of a lesson there for me).

I wouldn't be able to kick the poor fella outside. If you house train him now, you wont get any puddles or barkers nests inside if he stays in.

Originally Posted by rugerman

I wouldn't be able to kick the poor fella outside. If you house train him now, you wont get any puddles or barkers nests inside if he stays in.

A good kennel with some hay or straw to sleep on is cosy as. The problem is it’s near impossible to house toilet train him now as it only ever happens in the middle of the night when we are asleep. Never does it any other time when we are awake and active. Can’t correct it if i’m asleep. My lesson is that if I ever foresee the dog being an inside dog when it’s older, I need to spend some time with it as a pup training the toilet rules of being inside.

If you take him out for a piss before going to bed, then if he pisses during the night, in the morning take him over to the piss and scold him then take him out to the area you want him to go and use the pee pee word with positive noises in that spot. Start by using the word for pee when he is going outside and heaps of praise while he's pissing ( or crapping) in that place. he will soon get the idea. Inside grumpy grumpy, outside happy happy
My last dog I got as a 2 year old and had to do the house training with as an older dog.
Of course inside dogs aren't for everyone and you can make the kennel comfortable. Where I work now the muttlies have underfloor heating in their kennels

others will have different ways to toilet train..mine is simple...drinks lots of cups of tea...my bladder is the size of a thimble...when I need a pee...outside with the dog and water the lawn...say "do the biz" and when dog does..praise... its actually a bloody handy thing ,if on trip.stop let dog out...do the biz...back in and carry on.
by the time you have taken dog out so yo ucan water the lawn 4-5 times each evening...they get the message....when they head for door and look at you...get up and take them out.... middle of night....if lucky I sleep right through once a week...normally a 2-3am pee is needed..again take the dog out...

lol actually I was gonna say I also piss on the lawn to show the dog, but my neighbours can't see into my back yard luckily
Also if you clean the piss inside with bleach it has a bit of an ammonia smell which to a dog smells a bit like piss and he will piss on the same spot next time

Yep mine always get toileted just before bed or kennel time. Personally I don’t believe dogs are capable of linking a scolding to an event that happened in the past regardless of whether you take them to the spot or rub said item in their face etc. Needs to be corrected in the moment so they can directly link the two. That’s my opinion based on what I have read and experienced so far - happy to have others disagree with me as i’d rather not engage in training debate - often the demise of dog sections on forums.. lol

yip...so taking dog out for a pee...needed or not...repeatedly gets the message across that outside is for peeing..... if you want to go one step further,put a road cone on street corner for a week,then put in your section where you want dog to pee......the urge to social network will do the rest.

Ya not wrong MD, the irony at work is pretty hard case. We have a wet floor caution sign for when the floor gets wet when it's cleaned, and you can bet that every male dog ( and the occasional female) will piss on it making the floor wet talk about a feedback loop
Of course in a hallway there aren't any other points of aim for a whizz, so the sign becomes a self fulfilling prophecy

Yeah stagstalker, I remember the shit fights that would occur in the other forums' dog section. Turned into a "my way is the right way" pissing contest. Pun always intended there are always many ways to skin a cat ( or even train a dog ) so whatever works to get what results you want, is the "best" way.

Originally Posted by stagstalker

Yep mine always get toileted just before bed or kennel time. Personally I don’t believe dogs are capable of linking a scolding to an event that happened in the past regardless of whether you take them to the spot or rub said item in their face etc. Needs to be corrected in the moment so they can directly link the two. That’s my opinion based on what I have read and experienced so far - happy to have others disagree with me as i’d rather not engage in training debate - often the demise of dog sections on forums.. lol

100% man. If a dog has gone toilet inside, it’s your fault, nothing to do with them. You need to scold yourself, not the dog. Dogs don’t associate the telling off with what they’ve done 8 hours ago. The reason they “act guilty” or cower is based on your body language and tone. Nothing to do with them pissing inside.

Yep about 3 seconds, about the same with horses.

Originally Posted by +Snoop

Yeah, you can even train your dog to pee/poo in the same spot on the lawn. Garden hose in a circle and let him out and give him the "go toilet" command... not in the Blueprint. My guy, will try to fake me out... walk across the deck toward the lawn at night when let out... and if it is wet (don't hate me McNotty) he will turn around and come back in when my back is turned. "too wet, cold Dad". Woss.

my too bitches will sit instead of squat......I move them and keep giving command till they comply....got up at 3AM as wee bitch was giving wee bark and whinge..straight out onto lawn huge pee..then straight back into kennel and happy the rest of night...she normally sleeps in cage inside..but feed of fresh venison and I thought farts be best outside LOL.

My dog Lily, that I trained using the blueprint did her longest tracking job last night. Up til now all her tracking jobs have been short and I’ve seen the deer fall so know where it is.
Last night I hit a hind behind the shoulder and she ran off into the scrub. When we got to where she had been Lily instantly started tracking. No blood to start off with and no prints on the ground. I trusted the dog and let her move out. After a while there was a good amount of blood on some bushes, this continued with blood every 20-30m but hard to work out direction of travel. At one point the deer turned and went straight uphill for a while. Following Lily was really hard in the low scrub and my pack getting caught up. Eventually Lily tracked to the dead hind.
Real proud of her after that one.

Originally Posted by rugerman

points of aim for a whizz, so the sign becomes a self fulfilling prophecy

must be why we always stop at the DOC sign at the entry to pureora (piropiro flats) ritual started by a toke miscreant now blueprinted on us