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    i think it is more that with a pedigree you can follow it back to see how the line has performed in the past to give a good indication on future performance. when paying a couple thousand for a pup you want some sort of record to justify that outlay and with a cross that people want nearly the same amount there is no record just word of mouth that someone had a good pup. in saying that one of the best labs i had cost me $20 had 1/8 gsp in the litter and was great but now people want $800 for similar . the munsterlander i am looking at is $1900 for a pup thanks to @Thar it will have papers and if i wanted i could follow the line back to first registration to check on its potential , it still will be influenced by training and you can still get a dud but a lot less variables than a cross breed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by berg243 View Post
    i think it is more that with a pedigree you can follow it back to see how the line has performed in the past to give a good indication on future performance. when paying a couple thousand for a pup you want some sort of record to justify that outlay and with a cross that people want nearly the same amount there is no record just word of mouth that someone had a good pup. in saying that one of the best labs i had cost me $20 had 1/8 gsp in the litter and was great but now people want $800 for similar . the munsterlander i am looking at is $1900 for a pup thanks to @Thar it will have papers and if i wanted i could follow the line back to first registration to check on its potential , it still will be influenced by training and you can still get a dud but a lot less variables than a cross breed.
    The first cross of two distinct breeds ( Filial 1 hybrid ) is always uniform and consistent. It is crosses of the crosses that are variable. In dogs a common example would be crossing greyhounds with border collies to produce F1 Lurchers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by berg243 View Post
    i think it is more that with a pedigree you can follow it back to see how the line has performed in the past to give a good indication on future performance. when paying a couple thousand for a pup you want some sort of record to justify that outlay and with a cross that people want nearly the same amount there is no record just word of mouth that someone had a good pup. in saying that one of the best labs i had cost me $20 had 1/8 gsp in the litter and was great but now people want $800 for similar . the munsterlander i am looking at is $1900 for a pup thanks to @Thar it will have papers and if i wanted i could follow the line back to first registration to check on its potential , it still will be influenced by training and you can still get a dud but a lot less variables than a cross breed.
    your musterlander will not come from working stock, there are no breeders breeding from tested german or even english bred field lines.
    i have been asked to source german bred dogs for a couple of guys wanting to invest in the breed, i get the same questions from the germans about dog shows and non hunting homes for there lines, there was a time a reintroduction of the breed could have worked but not while they keep getting topped up by australian show lines and frozen semen from uk show kennels.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kawhia View Post
    your musterlander will not come from working stock, there are no breeders breeding from tested german or even english bred field lines.
    i have been asked to source german bred dogs for a couple of guys wanting to invest in the breed, i get the same questions from the germans about dog shows and non hunting homes for there lines, there was a time a reintroduction of the breed could have worked but not while they keep getting topped up by australian show lines and frozen semen from uk show kennels.
    Yeah, but it depends on your expectations and what you want. The pup I got from you Kawhia pre your DD bloodlines was not tested German blood lines but certainly has met my expectations and has been probably "good enough" by any ordinary person's expectations (and I knew what I was getting and was very happy about the whole thing). A bonus was that both parents hunted well. Sure, lots of hunting has brought out what ever potential existed in her blood lines but I have been thoroughly happy (and so has she ). I see no reason why the NZ Large Munsterlanders from Aus semen should not be the same - good enough for the ordinary hunter person. Same with the Feskes'.

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    My girl is a bit like what you describe too Tahr. Except she is a cross breed from proven parents (mother is cross bred too) who threw consistent pups. Like you I am really happy. I think if you have a dog with brains, temperament and enough hunt drive for what you want then add training and plenty hunting and everyone should be happy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tahr View Post
    Yeah, but it depends on your expectations and what you want. The pup I got from you Kawhia pre your DD bloodlines was not tested German blood lines but certainly has met my expectations and has been probably "good enough" by any ordinary person's expectations (and I knew what I was getting and was very happy about the whole thing). A bonus was that both parents hunted well. Sure, lots of hunting has brought out what ever potential existed in her blood lines but I have been thoroughly happy (and so has she ). I see no reason why the NZ Large Munsterlanders from Aus semen should not be the same - good enough for the ordinary hunter person. Same with the Feskes'.
    Is it possible to bring in semen from a proven dog ? If it is, pups from a totally different unrelated line especially if it is a 'line bred' line will give a heterosis effect in the same way as crossing to a different breed. Meaning consistently good pups in the litter
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    To quote an old dog trialist I met on the ferry once. " It is hard enough to get good pups out of top dogs young fella". Fair call.

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    The cesky is in the same boat as my own dogs, not influenced by non working breeding, just has a very shallow gene pool, the large munsterlander has a very defined split, the guys wanting them have tried the latest generations here hence them looking at the german side, I am sure the environmental situation with tilly has been the making of her, I had her sister for a long time and she was rehomed to a mate down south who is currently waiting on her replacement, her brother bru's owner has already got another pup from me, and I have just sent a pup north to replace the fourth pup in that litter.
    Yes they ticked a few boxes for the ordinary hunters, hopefully the new stuff ticks a few more
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    I agree. And also about older chaps like Thar getting another dog. The best dogs are the ones in experienced hands and have a (good) older dog to give them confidence etc. just my 2cents.
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    Yeah well we are looking for another GWP it will be my third
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    My first was a aggressive mutt so I shot her, it bit my kids and would try and bite anyone else for that matter. The breeder gave me a replacement and the love was started.
    "ars longa, vita brevis"

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    @Gapped axe
    Are you looking for a pup or an older dog GA?
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    I would like a pup Woody
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    Ive made contack with Anna Goldies husband, they have nothing but have taken my details, so we will see I guess
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