Thread: Recall training for a sighthound

You haven't got the big three,you have got diddly squat,dog stays on lead until you got them down pat. No excuses.thats just how it HAS to be. Eg this week rabbit next week a lamb. Boooom no more dog.

dead right Mickey Duck -one case in Gisborne sheep getting worried close to town - was two pedigree Labradors - sight hounds i.e ridgebacks grey hounds -afghans- saluki etc need watching even more as they will chase what runs away from them -

Originally Posted by Micky Duck

Eg this week rabbit next week a lamb. Boooom no more dog.

That's my worry. Can i get away with the big 2? Stay and come? Sitting is not an option. Lie down also not ok.

Identify your target beyond all doubt because you never miss (right?) and I'll be missed.

to teach stay requires hands on the dog - hold it in position- lots of praise- you may find it easier with the plywood - gives the dog a point of reference - they do have a problem associating just a patch of grass with what you want - get those two working first- then move on - at the ned of the day what do you want the dog for - just a pet ?? - wrong breed if you have notions of an indicator - another good command to put on is leave it if you use a whistle then with that command a really loud harsh blast - if you have a neighbour with sheep walk the dog around sheep - with rope on and any attempt at chasing or interest 'leave it ' -USE THAT ROPE A LOT EARLY ON

my earlier dogs werent even allowed to LOOK at a sheep....funny as hell when we got bottle fed lambs..poor ol Nugget the cocker spaniel was nearly turning himself inside out trying to keep away from them so as not to be told off... Meg my older bitch will to a degree work sheep,when asked..Poppy just does as she is told,leave it...means leave it...reguardless of what IT is.

yeah I once had to try and teach my daughter in laws dog not to kill chooks- taught her to stay on plywood and then on rope leave it - after two days a chook would walk past her she would turn her head as much to say chook what chook I do not see a chook - funny as hell -

Originally Posted by Barry the hunter

to teach stay requires hands on the dog - hold it in position- lots of praise- you may find it easier with the plywood - gives the dog a point of reference - they do have a problem associating just a patch of grass with what you want - get those two working first- then move on - at the ned of the day what do you want the dog for - just a pet ?? - wrong breed if you have notions of an indicator - another good command to put on is leave it if you use a whistle then with that command a really loud harsh blast - if you have a neighbour with sheep walk the dog around sheep - with rope on and any attempt at chasing or interest 'leave it ' -USE THAT ROPE A LOT EARLY ON

This is a good idea. Thanks
She's primarily a companion dog, but she's also an occasional show dog, and sitting for treats is the worst possible thing you could train a show pup to do. We also take her bush with us, so a consistent "come" will be very helpful. She likes being around us in the bush so it's only been a problem when we've met other dogs she's wanted to run with.
If a safe opportunity to hunt rabbits away from stock arises I'll take that up too, but again I'll need that recall so I get some rabbit too!

Identify your target beyond all doubt because you never miss (right?) and I'll be missed.

Originally Posted by Eat Meater

This is a good idea. Thanks
She's primarily a companion dog, but she's also an occasional show dog, and sitting for treats is the worst possible thing you could train a show pup to do. We also take her bush with us, so a consistent "come" will be very helpful. She likes being around us in the bush so it's only been a problem when we've met other dogs she's wanted to run with.
If a safe opportunity to hunt rabbits away from stock arises I'll take that up too, but again I'll need that recall so I get some rabbit too!

All very good advice up until now.
It really sounds like you need to get to a local (reputable) trainer. MickeyDuck is pretty much right on the money. The fundamentals come first, in all situations. To his, I'd add a "heel" (seperate from "in behind")

I would keep the thing on a short rope until it is SOLID in and around you, then give it a few more meters of rope at a time.
"come" means "come whether from 5 yards or 50 (or 500 or more - i run garmin collars)
As above with the plywood, that's a dog-association thing. "sit" might mean sit in the kitchen, but doggo doesn't associate that with "sit" when in the lounge, or in the yard.

As dogs can be taught sit, so can they be taught stand (for shows)

My dogs free-range with my chooks, they wont hassle sheep horses or cows. It's all just a matter of exposure and them knowing what is expected.
They don't speak english, so you're just strange animal barking while walking on it's hind legs to them.

Originally Posted by Eat Meater

That's my worry. Can i get away with the big 2? Stay and come? Sitting is not an option. Lie down also not ok.

Identify your target beyond all doubt because you never miss (right?) and I'll be missed.

what the actual hell is a stay if its not the tail end of a sit?????
honestly..if you want to park your car ,you first have to stop the plurry thing...sit IS stay......feel free to convince me I am wrong...never managed to park my car without stopping it first personally.
putting bum on ground or laying down are both dogs choice when told to stop/sit you can get all fancy and teach it as three commands...but that makes life more confusing than needed...sit means plant your arse untill I tell you otherwise..it is a get out of jail card and may well save your dogs life... running after cat towards road..telling it to stay means nothing when its doing 35kmph telling in to come here good boy no good either..a loud blast of stop whistle is about the ONLY thing that will be heard and compute

Originally Posted by Micky Duck

what the actual hell is a stay if its not the tail end of a sit?????
honestly..if you want to park your car ,you first have to stop the plurry thing...sit IS stay......feel free to convince me I am wrong...never managed to park my car without stopping it first personally.
putting bum on ground or laying down are both dogs choice when told to stop/sit you can get all fancy and teach it as three commands...but that makes life more confusing than needed...sit means plant your arse untill I tell you otherwise..it is a get out of jail card and may well save your dogs life... running after cat towards road..telling it to stay means nothing when its doing 35kmph telling in to come here good boy no good either..a loud blast of stop whistle is about the ONLY thing that will be heard and compute

It's 35 MPH, not kph!
"Stay" for Candace is stand still, something she can do very well, especially when she's told to go to bed. I'm happy for "stay" to be standing still.
The plywood idea might be a goer for getting the idea of staying in one spot.
Here she is with her first kill (pic 2). A rat. The retrieving of which a "come" would have made a lot easier. She was worse than a cat with a mouse!

Identify your target beyond all doubt because you never miss (right?) and I'll be missed.

Originally Posted by Eat Meater

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Here she is with her first kill (pic 2). A rat. The retrieving of which a "come" would have made a lot easier. She was worse than a cat with a mouse!

So what you probably actually taught her in this instance was that you saying "come here" (or whatever) actually means you're about to play a game of chasey with her...

Originally Posted by 11mms

So what you probably actually taught her in this instance was that you saying "come here" (or whatever) actually means you're about to play a game of chasey with her...

We didn't attempt recall for the rat for this exact reason. We've always made a point of making her chase us, not the reverse

Identify your target beyond all doubt because you never miss (right?) and I'll be missed.