Thread: B endorsement

Originally Posted by mikee

I gave my B away after 20 years mainly cause I got bored with having to go to the range.
Shot IPSC and 3 Gun for most of that time too. Found even 12 visits became a chore to fit in round work and life and towards the end was just "going thru the motions" to keep the B.

Just do what I do and put the pistol range on your property.

Originally Posted by Dr. Watson

Just do what I do and put the pistol range on your property.

Like this!

Its not that hard of a process / requirements either.

how do you go about doing that the pistol range that is

Originally Posted by Beaker

Like this!

Its not that hard of a process / requirements either.

....go on?

Originally Posted by gimp

....go on?

Prob the hardest bit is the RMA bit, but basic after that - if aligned with PNZ.
- read the range design manuals......
- find land
- do some basic drawings on what will fit, etc...
- resource consent for use. We ended up having a non notified, just need to talk (and get signatures) from immediate neighbours
- build
- get certified

Theres a bit more in these steps, but not much. If your only wanting 1 bay, out side, quite easy.

Havent done it yet, but will be starting soon'ish, to design up a multi use indoor range(22 target, issf, and ipsc - down the line only, not full 180 deg) This is going to be even easier( but alot more expensive) than the outdoor side, as its just a concrete building, with certain design features, ie thickness on concrete, services locations, air flow, bullet catcher system, etc.... Current thinking is to put a light weight building on the top as a club house, as the roof slab will be rather strong. Simple

I'm not a expert, and have only been involved in the construction of 1 range complex, but,
I'm willing (within reason....) to help out and share info, with anyone that wants to try and build a range. In my mind the more ranges in NZ the better

Originally Posted by Beaker

....will be starting soon'ish, to design up a multi use indoor range(22 target, issf, and ipsc - down the line only, not full 180 deg) This is going to be even easier( but alot more expensive) than the outdoor side, as its just a concrete building, with certain design features, ie thickness on concrete, services locations, air flow, bullet catcher system, etc.

Slight topic swerve. Howick Indoor Range was going through some challenges on maintenance a few years ago on their indoor range after 10+ years of heavy use by rimfire rifle, pistol and air rifle shooters. Decontamination of the bullet trap, updating air filters for the fans (and decontaminating them) with all the vapourised lead floating around, updated regs on min air flow and working out a better way of cleaning the lead dust on concrete floor as the original plan when designed/built back in the day to simply wash everything down regularly into drains. Now reg don't allow that waste water to be flushed into the system and must be collected and removed by certified/qualified companies.

Shot there for many years, I left after in fighting on the H&S Committee because the only way to do things, is the right way, which isn't necessarily the cheapest way I don't know where they are now with this. Birkenhead Indoor range under the sports stadium suffered the same problem, couldn't decontaminate/clean correctly and they closed down. YouthTown decontamination is a biggie too.

Originally Posted by Kscott

Slight topic swerve. Howick Indoor Range was going through some challenges on maintenance a few years ago on their indoor range after 10+ years of heavy use by rimfire rifle, pistol and air rifle shooters. Decontamination of the bullet trap, updating air filters for the fans (and decontaminating them) with all the vapourised lead floating around, updated regs on min air flow and working out a better way of cleaning the lead dust on concrete floor as the original plan when designed/built back in the day to simply wash everything down regularly into drains. Now reg don't allow that waste water to be flushed into the system and must be collected and removed by certified/qualified companies.

Shot there for many years, I left after in fighting on the H&S Committee because the only way to do things, is the right way, which isn't necessarily the cheapest way I don't know where they are now with this. Birkenhead Indoor range under the sports stadium suffered the same problem, couldn't decontaminate/clean correctly and they closed down. YouthTown decontamination is a biggie too.

Very much agree with your points.
For once the yanks have some good ideas for indoor ranges - air and contamination.
The top of my list at the moment, is a snail type target area. Imagine a V on its side, and a circular portion at the back, off set.



As mentioned, not cheap at all!! But do it once do it right.

Plus positive air movement down range, polished floors, painted walls, no dust collection areas, etc.....

Police range at Porirua was designed to have air be pumped through from behind the shooters and sucked in at the end behind the butts

If the inlet and outlet holes are evenly sized and distributed across their respective ends then the air flows in a manner called "plug flow" which has little turbulence but steady from behind the shooters and carries away any fumes and whatnot

Also was designed for use with frangible rounds FWIW

Dunno how well it worked in the end as I only saw it at the early stages but it's an idea

The snail trap looks really good