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Me thinks this thread has become a little off track

Initially it was about X5 scopes, then someone got a confused & started off about Z5's, these are two very different beasts.

Z5 = simple,...

I had a 5-25 X5, very nice scope - great glass, great reticle but by far it's worse feature is that big arsed elevation turret. So over engineered & far to complex, the sub zero feature sounds good...