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How people breed is not something I think should not be digested in public... some will choose directions others will vehemently disagree with... results and the length of results of generations will...

Breeders will breed as close or outcross as much as they want... arguing about it on a forum will change no ones mind... show which methodology your support by buying a pup.

Brian... stop trying to start fights.... :D

Didn't I just say why I wouldn't?

I think it shouldn't be discussed here. I will never breed closer than grandparents... others will.. we can slag each other off till hell freezes over.. it won;t change what we do and will waste...

I absolutely agree with that, and I can demonstrate how a written standard doesn;t achieve that.... I agree with type, form and confirmation etc etc... and it is done, but knowledgeable dog people...

and yes ELB loves to provoke.....

I agree with everything you say, except the bit about the breed standard... breed standards have NEVER improved a breed and defy anyone to show me where it has.... Breed Standards from cockerels, to...

Not even... by my experience...

Only if I knew what it had beat!