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there is non lead buckshot around...copper or steel....shite steel would be interesting up in the rocks.

you do that and people who distrust DOC wont pay it flat out....for fear it will be used to fund 1080 etc a bit like union fees going to the Labour party puts some off joining.

many people dont...

its a funny thing,big numbers...a guy like myself even if I loved eating them would never control population as I will shoot the first couple then bonem out and go home.... would never get to areas...

yes its sustainable but if we are currently shooting MORE THAN 2000 then a lot of guys who currently shoot wont have anything to shoot,or if we continue to shoot at current levels we will more than...

if its not 3,000 shot per year we will go back to figures given/debated

35,000 yearly increase without predation at 25% (cause its easier)=8750 births over deaths

we average only a 5% increase...

or are we missing mark by only 5% of what we should be shooting and have done so for 25 years...I would suggest there is a hell of a lot more being shot now than 25 years ago so we are possibly now...

so 3000 per year is 30% of what is allowed..... we must be shooting some amount of animals.....if its not enough now and population IS dropped to the 10,000 the number we ARE shooting isnt...

Gimp Im not having a go...just trying to get my head around those numbers (maths is one of my "things")

so if we flip that one around ...it means we have been controlling 20-25% of the population each and every year?????? 1/5th -1/4 that a hell of a lot of animals even at 10,000 its 2,500 if you go...

so if populations on pastural leases can move onto public land and then be a problem......MAYBE the protection offered by being on what is at end of day, public land is flawed and conditions need to...

the other factor that isnt taken into account is the ability of foot hunters is way ahead of what it was...rangefinders and dialup using people CAN do the job much better than way back in deep dark...