Thread: M1 Garand

I'm just wanting to know what class a garand is.
legally I don't think it would fit the definition of an MSSA as it doesn't have a magazine that holds more than 7 rounds.

cheers guys

If it can hold more than 7 then its an MSSA. Mag does not need to be detachable. For example a semi auto shotgun that can hold more than 7 in its tube would also be an MSSA.

...Bayonet Lug = E-cat.

It is only the bayonet lug that makes it an MSSA. Cut that off and it is A category.

Originally Posted by gundoc

It is only the bayonet lug that makes it an MSSA. Cut that off and it is A category.

Im not really familiar with Garands - but I thought it can hold 8? If so, why would it not be an E-cat?

Originally Posted by ChrisW

Im not really familiar with Garands - but I thought it can hold 8? If so, why would it not be an E-cat?

If you count everything that holds 1 extra in the chamber

As I said im not really familiar with Garands, but I did a quick google search which suggested the stripper clips take 8 rounds.
So if the stripper clip can take 8, then you put it in, chamber a round and it becomes 7 + 1?
Confused.

The police don't bother making the +1 argument. They just call an 8 shot therefore it's E-cat to them.

The 8 shot clip is inserted into the rifle and the bolt clicks in behind the top round. A gentle nudge with the heel of your hand and bolt closes, stripping the top round off the clip and into the breech.

Ah ok, so the grey area is that you cant really keep the action open with the full 8 rounds in it, so as soon as you put it in you have 7 in the magazine and one in the chamber.
Interesting.

The key issue to them is that rifle is capable of having 8 rounds in it. But don't bother trying to tell your local arms officer the same thing applies to other 7-shot mag semi-autos...you run the risk of hurting their feelings...

Originally Posted by ChrisW

Ah ok, so the grey area is that you cant really keep the action open with the full 8 rounds in it, so as soon as you put it in you have 7 in the magazine and one in the chamber.
Interesting.

Just to be clear- you can run around with the bolt behind the 8th round. It's just not advisable/safe as the slightest jolt will send the bolt forward.

Originally Posted by gundoc

It is only the bayonet lug that makes it an MSSA. Cut that off and it is A category.

DO NOT CUT THAT OFF. please.

Cheers for the all the feedback guys, I had completely forgotten about the lug. as for the mag capacity I do know you can get 5 round clips for it

I don't think 5 round clips would make it legal as it can still hold 8 internally. That's like only loading 5 rounds in a 10 round mag, or only loading 5 rounds into a 10 round shotgun tube.
You would need to restrict the actual internal capacity of what it can hold, not just use 5 round stripper clips or only load 5 rounds into your 8 round gun.

The bolt is actually designed to shut automatically when a clip is inserted, in practice it is 50/50 whether it does. If you wanted to A cat a particular one, I would suggest finding a spare gas cylinder and lopping part of the bayonet lug off and having it fitted to the rifle. As for mag capacity...well I don't know, 5 round clips maybe. Who the fuck would know.