Thread: Toyota announced big Landcruiser spec change & price drops in USA

Originally Posted by 300winmag

Who’s worried about fuel consumption on a V8 Landcruiser??
I’ve just chucked on 4 new tyres and a service, fuel economy doesn’t even come into it.

I’d sooner have a 4.5ltr V8 diesel than a 2.8ltr stressed, no substitute for cubic inches.

Anyone interested in a Q7 4.2 ltr V8 diesel, one lady driver, 76km, 2012, goes like a cut cat, $27k
Mint condition. The cooks down sizing. Basically been a Remuera tractor, supermarket, gym, Newmarket to home.

A mate has one of these. Has about 200K's on it. Tows a tandem trailer with three quads on it up the Taihape deviation at well beyond the open road speed limit. An absolute weapon, and very civilised. Gets crazy good fuel consumption out of it when on normal duties too.

That's an absolute steal

The way I see it @No.3 is that your producing this sample size of one horror story to advocate for bigger engines, whereas I’m looking at the info and asking myself who the hell drives over 100,000 km towing a 3-ton boat like that in New Zealand in such a short space of time? And why on earth would you try and do it with a Hilux? It just smells fishy to me. It’s such an extreme story that it has negligible relevance to 99.9% of 1GD-FTV powered vehicles on the roads around the world. You can carry on with the story for as long as you like but you will not convince me that 500Nm of torque is insufficient in a LV, or that a 4-cyl is excessively stressed, especially in an almost 10-yr old engine that has already racked up billions of km around the world in every environment imaginable. OK that’s all from me on this.

just some info for all you Hi Lux and Land Cruiser aficionados out there - I have a sister and brother in law in Mackay Quensland - they have run a specialized garage for over 20 years - they repower 4x4,s and recondition diesels - I asked Steve what was the most popular motor to drop into a hi lux- Holden Commodore V8 - they can get a pack that runs all the dash etc relatively straight foward job - and he still gets purists that want a Chevy 350 - has a good business repowering and raising 4x4,s for all the young buggers from the mines with a pocket full of cash

Originally Posted by Flyblown

Tested in the video below… there are several of these tests out there already (e.g. Ronnie Dahl) and they are all concluding the same, which is that the 4-cyl auto is not struggling at all compared to the V8 as most punters assume it would. In pretty much all the tests that I have watched so far, the 4-cyl has “won”. Having done a decent amount of hard yakka km in the 2.8 4-cyl, and many years working with the V8 here and in Aus, I kinda knew that would be the case. I simply have not experienced a performance deficit in the 4-cyl.

Bottom line is that there’s a lot of assumptions being made by fans of older, bigger engines, but the tech advances look like they have won the day and the small engine has superior metrics. I don’t buy the argument that the smaller engine will wear excessively. Toyota aren’t that dumb! Anyway, we will have forgotten all about this debate in a few years time because the V8 is on a 1-way ticket to retirement and before you know it to 2.8 will be the new normal.

Interesting test. But you failed to mention that even though both guys agreed that while the 2.8 had won buy a small margin, they would still buy the V8 if it was their choice.

It's not like Landcruiser's have never had 4cyl motor before. If it works, it works.

I personally think a better option would have been a common rail version of the I6 4.2L 1-hd fte. They still make the 1-hz version which is the same block, so not a massive effort to tool up again.

yes still the best work 4x4 I was ever issued in Forest Service and Land and survey was a short wheel base 4 cycl diesel land cruiser - Think from memory it was a 3.4 motor - brilliant wagon - had ex army V8 land rover for awhile early DOC dam good on gravel road and good off road good ride just so bloody unreliable pity- the beam front axle 2.8 hilux was a classic - speyed blood when DOC traded mine at Stratford - the 3.0 litre model I got as replacement just not the same

Originally Posted by Barry the hunter

the beam front axle 2.8 hilux was a classic

Still the best Hilux you can get

Originally Posted by Got-ya

Interesting test. But you failed to mention that even though both guys agreed that while the 2.8 had won buy a small margin, they would still buy the V8 if it was their choice.

From the launch media in December:

Hanley (Toyota Australia Vice President of Sales and Marketing) says initially Toyota Australia is expecting a 70/30 per cent split in favour of the V8 but he believes over time, as customers experience the benefits of the four-cylinder and automatic, it will change to a 50/50 split.

In fact, he believes that the only reason customers would opt for the V8 over the four-cylinder, despite the former having less torque, higher fuel economy and a five-speed manual gearbox, is the mental and sentimental issues.

"In my humble opinion, so it's not necessarily right, the only thing preventing a V8 person going to a four-cylinder would be a psychological barrier," Hanley said. "Once they drive a four-cylinder and realise its capability, I don't think it will be a hard sell at all."


I guess I'm not a sentimental guy with mental issues!

Originally Posted by Flyblown

From the launch media in December:

Hanley (Toyota Australia Vice President of Sales and Marketing) says initially Toyota Australia is expecting a 70/30 per cent split in favour of the V8 but he believes over time, as customers experience the benefits of the four-cylinder and automatic, it will change to a 50/50 split.

In fact, he believes that the only reason customers would opt for the V8 over the four-cylinder, despite the former having less torque, higher fuel economy and a five-speed manual gearbox, is the mental and sentimental issues.

"In my humble opinion, so it's not necessarily right, the only thing preventing a V8 person going to a four-cylinder would be a psychological barrier," Hanley said. "Once they drive a four-cylinder and realise its capability, I don't think it will be a hard sell at all."


I guess I'm not a sentimental guy with mental issues!

The only spin worse coming out the mouth of a used car salesman is the dribble coming out the mouth of a new car salesman.Ol mate Hanley with his A$200K plus salary has got skin in the game.Head office Tokyo say tow the party line.Yess master.3 bags full master

Review today.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/350...s-ultimate-ute

What the V8 packs in response is an incredible track record for reliability as perhaps the least stressed powertrain fitted to any new vehicle. Most 70 Series customers, I’d wager, would still prefer the V8 if given the choice

from above review true so true

Drove a 200 series twin turbo the other week, very very impressed

Originally Posted by bluebaiter222

The only spin worse coming out the mouth of a used car salesman is the dribble coming out the mouth of a new car salesman.Ol mate Hanley with his A$200K plus salary has got skin in the game.Head office Tokyo say tow the party line.Yess master.3 bags full master

I knew someone would bite on that one.

But its an interesting point, no matter who said it. Right now, outside of the guys that are actually doing proper side-by-side comparisons, most folk are judging purely on emotion.

Originally Posted by Flyblown

I knew someone would bite on that one.

But its an interesting point, no matter who said it. Right now, outside of the guys that are actually doing proper side-by-side comparisons, most folk are judging purely on emotion.

Aint that the truth. The same with manual V automatic.

Originally Posted by Tommy

Drove a 200 series twin turbo the other week, very very impressed

I had a new 300 series for two weeks in Australia last month. Not much to complain about.


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Originally Posted by Flyblown

The way I see it @No.3 is that your producing this sample size of one horror story to advocate for bigger engines, whereas I’m looking at the info and asking myself who the hell drives over 100,000 km towing a 3-ton boat like that in New Zealand in such a short space of time? And why on earth would you try and do it with a Hilux? It just smells fishy to me. It’s such an extreme story that it has negligible relevance to 99.9% of 1GD-FTV powered vehicles on the roads around the world. You can carry on with the story for as long as you like but you will not convince me that 500Nm of torque is insufficient in a LV, or that a 4-cyl is excessively stressed, especially in an almost 10-yr old engine that has already racked up billions of km around the world in every environment imaginable. OK that’s all from me on this.

Not at all, I'm not having a crack at you and if anything I'm saying that ya just gotta use the correct tool for the job - and for the small number of us in commercial/trade applications towing big boats with tonnage and windage, and heavy loads in the tow vehicle to boot (this is commercial marine servicing using the boat as the work platform which is why it's such a high hour gig on the vehicle) a 4cyl anything is NOT the correct tool for the job. I agree again, most people do not have severe duty requirements like this - and part of my point is that the sales and servicing guys don't even understand the limitations of the gear they are selling. That Hilux was chosen on the basis that the guy who brought it took the requirements in when he went in, photos and data on the the weights etc - the sales guys said "not a problem this is what it was built for", the cross check was made with the service people who went "yup can't see an issue" but come time for the questions to start being asked it was a "shrug not us"...

There's a reason NIWA, DOC and the like are going for specific approval to purchase vehicles outside of the Govt pre-approved vehicles list and having the Directors of their departments do a special signoff to buy $200K ex-US heavy duty trucks for this job. I know of one crew that's gone backwards and brought an older style truck and retrofitted it with a 50mm towball so they have a 9L 6cyl diesel on a lightweight roadranger for towing duties - and then had to upgrade the cooling system on the engine for the long climbs up Nth Isl hills... The pain in the arse with both those solutions is 6 month COF's vs 3yr 1st WoF and then annual WoF's after that, much more expensive tyres, need a Class2 licence, TSL, logbook hours, fuel burn and then plain old driving comfort when you aren't towing. Also you stick out like a bling merchant if you go anywhere without the trailer on back and that's not ideal for trade use. That's the point of trying to do the job in a ute, Landcruisers haven't been that available even with a 4cyl in them let alone the v8 (often times on a waiting list) and short of the 3L V6's which also aren't easily had at the moment the only other realistic option is the 3.2L 5cyl which in my opinion (and like bumholes everyone has theirs) even those are marginal for this application.

That's the reason that having the option of a v8 for those that can't do without them is so necessary, discounting the recreational and suburban use types the 4cyl works for a lot of trade type users and industrial sites but for those that it doesn't, getting rid of the bigger option really narrows the choices down. A 3L V6 at $100K is still a LOT more affordable than a yank tank at $200K, or having to go to a mid-size truck now as the light truck options have the same bloody engines as the utes. Even those are starting to give issues with longevity and reliability, especially when the electronic engine is used to power a hiab or similar and the thing decides it needs to do a DPF burn so mid lift it ramps up to 3000rpm on you and stuffs up all the hiab throttle settings. Ahhh the days before the climate bullsh*t and climate change haha.