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    Question where can i find a engineer to give the certificate for my ecat gun safe?

    i need to find a engineer to give the certificate for my ecat gun safe, anyone know any engineer who can give the certificate?

    thanks!!

    bill

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    What region?

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    Talk to your Arms Officer.

    If said safe meets minimum security standards and is installed as per the Arms Regulations I believe that you don't need an engineers certificate, Can't find any regulation that says you must have it certified either.

    However you will need to convince the Re-licencing inspector that it does meets minimum code and is securely installed.

    If there is any dispute about this then you can get a Civil Engineer to certify that it meets minimum code, end of argument.

    My experience is that the re-licencing officers know what to expect and are quite reasonable if they can plainly see said safe meets code and is installed correctly.

    Check with your local Arms Officer and they will advise you what they expect.

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    hi, there,

    do you know engineer?

    thanks,

    bill

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    Quote Originally Posted by P38 View Post
    Bill

    Talk to your Arms Officer.

    If said safe meets minimum security standards and is installed as per the Arms Regulations I believe that you don't need an engineers certificate, Can't find any regulation that says you must have it certified either.

    However you will need to convince the Re-licencing inspector that it does meets minimum code and is securely installed.

    If there is any dispute about this then you can get a Civil Engineer to certify that it meets minimum code, end of argument.

    My experience is that the re-licencing officers know what to expect and are quite reasonable if they can plainly see said safe meets code and is installed correctly.

    Check with your local Arms Officer and they will advise you what they expect.

    Cheers
    Pete
    I built my own and its not certed but it does meet all their design standards i ran the plan by the AO before building no worries at all

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    Post some pics of your build sometime mucko, sounds like an interesting thing to do. How much did it set you back?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lono View Post
    Post some pics of your build sometime mucko, sounds like an interesting thing to do. How much did it set you back?
    it looks pretty shithouse but it is legal. didnt cost me bugger all as i knew the guy running the press and brake shop. i paid more for the two ross locks then for the steel then i just welded it all together.
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    Agreed,

    Ask for them to demstrate where in the legislation where it requires any kind of construction certification.

    Quote Originally Posted by P38 View Post
    Bill

    Talk to your Arms Officer.

    If said safe meets minimum security standards and is installed as per the Arms Regulations I believe that you don't need an engineers certificate, Can't find any regulation that says you must have it certified either.

    However you will need to convince the Re-licencing inspector that it does meets minimum code and is securely installed.

    If there is any dispute about this then you can get a Civil Engineer to certify that it meets minimum code, end of argument.

    My experience is that the re-licencing officers know what to expect and are quite reasonable if they can plainly see said safe meets code and is installed correctly.

    Check with your local Arms Officer and they will advise you what they expect.

    Cheers
    Pete

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    I would believe that commercially you may have to have certified compliant, but do it yourself probably not.
    Boom, cough,cough,cough

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maca49 View Post
    I would believe that commercially you may have to have certified compliant, but do it yourself probably not.
    when i built mine i went to (Paul) Tauranga arms office went over plan told him what steel was being used, he ok'ed the design of the locking lugs. he did an onsite visit when safe was built before firearms were put in it. he signed it off as compliant and that is now on file. if i modify it in any way it will need to be reinspected. simple really.
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    if you got it past Paul you did good!
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    Boom, cough,cough,cough

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    Surely, the only thing that one needs to demonstrate is that their security precautions meet the minimum standard for their category of licence/firearm, regardless of who makes it.
    Stupid iPad won't open the link to the police word document to be sure, an answer may be here.
    http://www.police.govt.nz/sites/defa...rd-booklet.doc

    Regulation 28 of the arms act regarding security precautions for MSSA safes/cabinets.
    Arms Regulations 1992 (SR 1992/346) (as at 11 December 2013) – New Zealand Legislation
    (c)locked in a steel safe or steel box or steel cabinet (being in every case a safe, box, or cabinet of sound construction and of a type approved in writing either generally or in the particular case by a member of the Police) bolted or otherwise securely fixed (in a manner approved in writing either generally or in the particular case by a member of the Police) to the building within which the pistol or military style semi-automatic firearm or restricted weapon is kept.

    My legalese sucks.
    The local arms office had plans for a compliant safe available when I went through my application a few years ago, no dramas.
    6mm steel, two locks, jimmy proof etc....

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    Arms Officers do not all sing from the same hymn sheet, that's a problem!
    Boom, cough,cough,cough

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    Agreed.
    Frustrating, surely it all has to be there in black and white somewhere.

 

 

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