ok so my next one is, I thought I would try reloader 17 with a 160 TMK or 162 ELDM. Has anyone had any success with those combinations?
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ok so my next one is, I thought I would try reloader 17 with a 160 TMK or 162 ELDM. Has anyone had any success with those combinations?
Ta!
I havnt tried either of those projectiles but am using Re 17 with 140 accubonds ,goes good in 708
Tried 160s without much success.
The 160s go good in my SAUM but not with Re 17
If you haven't already got powder, go with Re 16. It's less temp sensitive and still give similar speeds. I haven't tried it myself but will be switching once I run out of Re 17.
Sierra's accuracy load for 160 TMK is 45.5 Gr Re 16 for 2700fps from a 24" barrel.
Havnt experienced any temp problems with re 17 and have used heaps of it.
Or again if you haven't bought the powder yet, you could use boring old 2208.
Goes really good in my Tikka t3 7mm08.
40.5 grains pushes162 ELD-M at 2600fps from a 19inch barrel comfortably and it's very good consistency wise.
That is the exact load I use for 162eldms in my 7mm08 SAUR100. I thought I'd try RL17 with the 162gr eldm to speed it up a bit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rated M for Magnum
That was kind of the point of my post, it may have came across wrong. What I have found is you will gain about 50fps maybe a little more. But if you work your load in winter you may strike pressure problems in summer, if you work up in summer (which is safer) you could loose half of what you have gained in winter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rated M for Magnum
RL17 has the same temp as Win760 about 3fps/degrees C
And it's burn rate is around the same as 2209, so in short barrel the gains aren't really there.
But other people may have had better results in the 7mm08
I'm always keen for a bit of experimentation ha ha, I think I'm onto my 8th powder/bullet combo in my rem mag. Variety is the spice of life and if you want another 50fps, then why shouldn't you have it? Who knows it may go even better in the longer barrel?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gerardo
This is by far my favorite part of the forum, it's like I get to reload vicariously through others :D
My uncle was a Tahr culler in the 1960's. The best rifle calibre he used was a 7x57, very similar to the 7mm08 and the best ammo was Dominion from CIL in Canada. The 139 'Western' open point expanding ( Old name for Hollow Point) was rated at 2800 to 2900 fps depending on rifles. Anyway, uncle said that nothing they could load themselves could get close to the trajectory or game flattening ability of those factory loads. The western OPE had a hollow point and a cannelure on the ogive as well as well as a boat tail. They made these from the 1920's.
After much trialing of reloads the conclusion was reached that the 140 grain bullets were the best and any heavier did not produce the same Hydrostatic kills. My uncle said that he loaded 47.5 gr of 4895 in the mid 1960's.
My point being that maybe the 140 gr bullets at 2900 are the best choice in 7mm08 ? This is based on the deaths of 6000 Tahr
Here is some interesting reading you may have already by Nathan Foster. It challenges some old thoughts with 7mm08...
(The link for the whole article...
https://www.ballisticstudies.com/Kno...Remington.html)
"Heavier 154-162 grain 7mm bullets often produce the most consistent results in the 7mm08 across a wide range of game body weights and ranges. The only downside of this approach is that at a theoretical level, the lower velocity of a 154-162 grain bullet seems to go against everything hunters have striven towards for the last 100 years - high velocity as a means to produce fast killing.*
Each cartridge has its own performance parameters and using a slower, yet higher BC bullet in the 7mm08 does not in any way remove killing power or limit trajectory within this cartridge’s existing limitations. Thisis not the same theory as the slow moving heavy bullet practice relative to big bore performance or 20th*century ballistics theory. Rather, it is simply a method of utilizing current bullet designs, particularly the sleek, soft 162 grain A-max. The A-Max allows the hunter more error with shot placement at extended ranges as rear lung wounds are usually so severe that game cannot move far once hit. At the same time, velocity from the 7mm08 is so mild as to not cause shallow penetration with point blank range raking shots."
@Rated M for Magnum what OAL do you use for the 162-ELD-MQuote:
Originally Posted by Rated M for Magnum
Yip agree with that I have much better results with 150's /154's than 140's. I haven't shot any game with 162's yet just paper.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gerardo
I'm currently using RL-17 with 150 ELD-X but didn't find a great improvement speed wise over 2208
The 162gr ELD-M has given great results for me in 7mm-08. I've shot a few dozen deer since switching to the 162gr and no animal has got further than 30m, ranges from 10m - 300m. Quite a few bang flops.
Hi @winaa, 2.835" coal that just fits in the Tikka mag with no modificationsQuote:
Originally Posted by winaa
Bit more of a temp swing through seasons down south and have you chronod the load at different temps? Of course you won't have issues if the loads developed in summer but the speed may drop off enough to cause issues at range.Quote:
Originally Posted by nevereadyfreddy
Thanks I'll work up a load when I run out of my 150 ELD-XQuote:
Originally Posted by Rated M for Magnum
For those that are interested I have a powder temp/stability chart I found online
2208/Varget is listed as 0.13/deg F by my calcs this equals 0.24 FPS/Deg C
RL15 is 1.52 FPS/Deg F___________or___________2.7 FPS/Deg C
RL17 is 1.42/ Deg F______________or____________2.6 FPS/Deg C
CFE223 is 1.70/ Deg F____________or____________3.1 FPS/Deg C
But the only way to know for sure is to measure it with a chrono at different temps
I’m using the Plain Jane AR2209 with the 162 ELD m’s, I’m seating them long 2.92oal for me that’s a 50 tho jump. Single feeding but have smashed both Deer and Tahr at good distance for the 7-08. 590yd spiker, dropped on the spot. 680yd Bull Tahr x2, Both dropped on the spot (at 1600m alt that round is still carrying 1200ft-lbs at 775yds) At 100m alt it’s carrying 1200ft-lbs out to 600yds.
The ELDs are at 2650fps, I know higher velocities can be achieved with the reloader but unless I had it for another project I’d not bother fixing something that isn’t broke.
In Nathan Fosters cartridge book he states the 708 to be a 850yard cartridge when using the 162 eldm at a MV of 2650 fps. Also states the best powder to be the good old 2208.
Very impressive stats for the 708
I’ve made up a load for a friend with the 2208 and while not quite as consistent as my load, mainly due to the effort he wanted in the process, his rifle is now well capable at 600yds. He wanted basic 139gr SP projectiles for shots around 300yds with the option to push it if necessary.
@Gkp I'll be bush pigging a 7mm08 to 16" shortly with 160gr TMKs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gkp
Very intriguing to see how 2208 performs.
I have just been through this exercise with a mates Tikka with a 20 inch barrel. 162eldm and rl17 giving us 2700fps with an sd of 4fps shoots amazingly well.
Mate if I was going short on the 708 I would go 18 inches and run a barnes 120 ttsx with win 760 to achieve 3050fps. Gives impressive resultsQuote:
Originally Posted by Rock river arms hunter
I'm going off the lines of a softer bullet going slower will kill just as well as a lighter bullet travelling fast. Plus I can use the same projectile for my 284 and 708Quote:
Originally Posted by Gkp
Seems sensible, and it won’t chew out your barrel.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rock river arms hunter
It will work which ever you choose. But I would recommend 18 inches as a minimum for the 708 as it will give you far better velocity options.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rock river arms hunter
You can always go shorter later.
3050fps will not chew your barrel out.
Yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gkp
I run the 162gr Amax at 2640fps using AR2208. It has proven itself to be an effective combination having taken animals from point blank to 550 yards.
What length barrel are you running with the 2209?Quote:
Originally Posted by Noswal
In reference to temperatures, I was gong shooting to 600 yards this weekend, both with the 284 and 7mm08 at 0 degrees and at (unknown as yet) elevation. It was quite interesting that both my friends rifles, and mine both shot about 2.5 to 3 MOA higher, and an increase in about windage was also needed.
This was working off Strelok predictions.
Less friction during flight I presume, but both the 162ELDMs and 160 TMKs were very consistent, so happy.
22in barrel 👍Quote:
Originally Posted by winaa
ThanksQuote:
Originally Posted by Noswal
Trying to resurrect a post here, what was everyones go to charge weight when running the 162eldm and 2208. Have the ability to load to the lands but happy to run wherever. Gun is a 17" tikka, dpt can, carbon stock
Mainly just looking to see if theres any trend in what the tikkas have been liking before using too many components trying to chace a load
I wouldn't bother with the 162 ELD-M's, they're no good... I'll even offer to take them off your hands :P
41gn 2208... seated out long. Normal reloading warning apply, work up to this, safe in my rifle but not necessarily yours :thumbsup:
Cheers mate ! That lines up with a couple other people that are doing the same thingQuote:
Originally Posted by Hunty1
That must be pretty warm I've just worked up a load with 150 ELDX and are at 40.2grns 40.6 got pressure signsQuote:
Originally Posted by Hunty1
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Use same charge with 150 eldx, think the X developments higher preasure due to heavier jacket.Quote:
Originally Posted by 25 /08 IMP
Adi give 41gn as book max for 162 Amax which is essentially the ELD-M
Can you get 2206h? I ran it in a 17 or 18" tikka 708 with 162eldx and all the loads were sub moa so went with thr most accurate/fastest.Quote:
Originally Posted by keengunNic
Run into case capacity issues with Rl16 in the 7mm08 and 160sQuote:
Originally Posted by winaa
41.3 gr for me, which is .3 gr over max off the top of my head.
I also have a node around 40.6 gr.
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