Any real world experience out there? Projectile choice? Performance? Probably absolute max 50yd shots on fallow
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Any real world experience out there? Projectile choice? Performance? Probably absolute max 50yd shots on fallow
not with blackout...but played lots with the x39mm Roberts cast 151s are great....BUT you will be much better with nearly subsonic..eg 1200-1500fps the difference in terminal preformance is huge,the difference in volume is not.....a quiet efficient killing load is so much better than a silent not efficient one. dont get me wrong,I would happily shoulder/chest shoot fallow hind/yearling in semi open country when have dog...they will go down,just maybe 50-100 yards away unless you hit spine/neck/head...but if you go for the smaller area with instant kill and miss by tiny bit...Bo will have work to do as its like poking a target point through...ZERO shock power.
I've found them to work quite well on wallabies. Maybe a little inconsistent though.
Have shot one side on thru the shoulders (heard the shoulders crunching from the impact) which ran stumbling for about 50m. Damn rear wheel drive.
Have texas heartshot one as it bounced away and it dropped on the spot. Bullet didn't exit. Should have autopsied it to examine the bullet but had no time.
Majority have been bang flops with good placement so they're obviously getting reasonable expansion and doing quite a bit of wounding... most of the time. Some inexplicable runner from what felt like identical shots.
Wouldn't hesitate to shoot a fallow with one. I think hilar or shoulder would be fine. Neck shoot if feeling clever. Be prepared to track and understand they don't deliver the shock of high velocity rounds.
I dont use my rossi 44 much. You can borrow it for a couple of months to have a play Ryan. 300 grn subs smoke fallow
I bought a 300BLK rifle with the intention of using it suppressed with subs for goats in dense bush. I don't reload, so have been using Hornady Sub-X rounds which are supposed to be designed for hunting and expand at subsonic speeds. First goat I shot was a classic chest shot. Animal didn't seem to know it was hit and required a follow-up shot which paralysed it (neck shot), but didn't kill it. Ugly situation in my book. I have shot a few goats since then, but all have been head/neck shots. All fell over dead as you would expect, but I'm not overwhelmed with the Sub-X rounds. There are better projectiles available if you reload.
head and neck shots, unless you are very good at locating the heart or maybe try these if you can find them.
https://www.gunworks.co.nz/shop/item...ehigh-subsonic
eye watering $3.50 a projectile.
SuperSonics no worries. Subs….yeah nah.
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I know a few people down these neck of the woods who use the single shot bergara's for bail up pig guns. They run the subsonic American eagle load or the Hornady sub X and they seem pretty happy with the results.
@tikka is probably the expert on here for 300blackout and subs. Here is one of his threads
https://www.nzhuntingandshooting.co....-update-36313/
Treat subs like bowhunting if not taking cns shots.
I use the 190 Sub-X and find them very accurate in my rifle out to 60 yards but as others have said, perfect shot placement is required.
I only head shoot with them now and I have to be very certain of the shot. As VC said, it takes you into bow hunting territory. The best thing about my load is that all I have to do is dial up 6moa from my supersonic load and I am ready to roll.
Having shot subs out of my 308 on fallow and pigs I really didnt like them as much as the as the bow which had a much bigger wound path. And limiting myself to 50m means its bow range with good practice and a compound. They killed but very slow often used both lead HPs and Lehighs. The Lehigh's were much better and id be happy shooting them for lungs etc within rage but the lead have been demoted to head shots (which i dont really or pests. I also used the factory Winchester subs but they were supersonic in my rifle although they did expand well they didn't seem to do any more damage than the lead bullets. I haven't tried the Sub x however and have only seen one shot and it was straight on as a homekill lamb and it kind of ramped up the skull and deflected. we didnt realise this at the time as the sheep got knocked out cold but woke up as we started to slit its throat. A closure inspection showed a cut/gouge up the forehead splitting the skin etc. Personally I do carry some sub loads with my 308 and will load some for my 7mm08 to carry to be able to shoot hares, possums etc but if i wanted a sub gun id buy something bigger bore like 45/70, 450 bushmaster.
From my experience hornady sub ammo Is shit. Inconsistent speeds, few supers in a sub box haha. 44mag could be a good bet? There is a very sexy 300blk mod 7 on tm...
there is likely to be a few more when folks wake up and realize what has been typed out in this thread is a fairly good representation across spectrum of hunting types and useage....the milage doesnt vary all that much when you compare what all have said...
subsonic .30 cal is pretty much the same no matter the case,killing power or lack thereof doesnt change.
supersonic...well the blackout does nothing anymanner of other cartridges cant do as well and much better.
so that ONLY leaves the little action ,lightweight and fast twist as advantages..... suddenly doesnt look so flash Harry anymore.
I had a blackout for a bit. Happy enough with performance with SuperSonics. Trialed subs, yeah nah.Quote:
Originally Posted by Micky Duck
Sold it to put towards a different calibre/rifle which was 45/70.
Blackout wouldn’t do anything my .223 wouldn’t do n wasn’t gonna sell/trade that in.
Wouldn’t bother me to have another one.
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Yeah, I thought he might have chimed in on this topic considering the number of animals he reckons he's decked with the 300 Blackout.Quote:
Originally Posted by stug
From a personal point of view I hve been using a load of 8.5 gr Trail Boss and Roberts 151gr cast projectiles in a .308 on goats around residential areas, 28 animals only. Keeps residents happy with lack of noise. I have found them to be effective out to 50'ish yards but I haven't tried any further. Would use on deer/pig if opportunity presented itself.This load just happens to be spot on at 50 yards in this rifle without altering scope from full power loads so thats a happy coincidence.
Have also played around with reduced loads in .223. They work but then so do 40gr round-nose solid and hollow-point standard velocity .22. Just not meant to use .22 on DOC ground bordering residential areas.
Just my 2 cents worth.
Re: 45/70 and 450BM, the only reason for wanting a subsonic setup is noise, or lack of it. I couldn't quite convince myself that these larger calibres could be quiet, especially with factory rounds, so it's six of one, half a dozen of the other. Happy to be corrected. As for my 300BLK project, I'll switch to supersonic rounds once I've got through my remaining subsonics. As Micky Duck says, 300BLK loses it's shine once you take subsonics out of the picture. As much as it pains me to say it, should have got a .308!
@tikka probably is the best person to ask, I think he uses these Lehigh pills they are pretty pricey tho https://www.gunworks.co.nz/shop/item...ehigh-subsonic
https://www.nzhuntingandshooting.co....st-trip-33902/
https://www.nzhuntingandshooting.co....lackout-26739/
Think there was some photos on the second thread that aren't there now. I have noticed on a couple of unrelated older threads the photos are missing now - maybe the forum is holding too much data/photos and the admins are starting to delete them?
Here’s one of the photos you’re looking for @308mate - Lehigh Controlled Chaos.
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Yeah I’ve shot plenty of deer and even more goats with a semi custom tikka 300BLK 12” 1:7 barrel using subs 90% of the time. I solely use purpose built subsonic Lehigh Defence 168gr Controled Fracturing and 198gr maximum expansion projectiles for deer as they have the quickest kills and had killed deer out to 280m with them. I’ve had quite a few bang flops on hilar shots.
Not happy with the results from hornady 190gr sub-x on deer and will only use them on goats now.
The powder I use is AR2205 for all supersonics and subsonic, and I use this powder in 4 other mates 300 blackouts that I reload for.
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...9eec4c06_b.jpg
The top bullets are Lehigh 168gr controlled fracturing and the bottom are 198gr maximum expansion. The controlled fracturing work like buckshot from a shotgun, the 3 razor sharp petals cut the internals impressively and on fallow deer the the base will punch through the other side.
The maximum expansion open up like a broadhead and punch through deeper and found a few bullets on the off side skin and the odd small red deer with a prefect broadhead like cut on the skin punching clean through and they work good on big pigs too.
The thing I really like about the 300BLK is you can bang away all day on goats and around the next corner a deer unaware.
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...040839c3_b.jpg
I will run run all these on one trip and dailup accordingly, Roberts 151gr HP cast, subsonic 208gr ELD, subsonic Lehigh 168gr CF and Nosler 125gr BT supersonic.
I use the 151gr cast for possums, mountain hares and the odd goat, I can only single feed them on a empty magazine in my rifle.
208gr is the most accurate ammo and use for head shot deer at long range(250m) and goat culling ammo.
125gr Supersonics for everything. I Also use 125gr SST, TMK.
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...b27101ff_z.jpg
A goat on the run about to be dropped with a 208gr eld.
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...d6683ff2_b.jpg
Scopes I away between 2.5-10x42 and a aimpoint red dot with quick release mounts.
I haven’t used this rifle much this year as I bought a 308 for medium 300m-400m range hunting and using 151gr cast / trailBoss for point blank finishing shots and the odd goat and it feeds perfectly out of a tikka magazine compared to the 300BLK.
These are actually 198gr maximum expansion taken from red deer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Flyblown
Another Sub-X fail today. Shot a goat mid-neck at 5 metres. It went down, then got up and ran 50 metres. Huge blood trail, but I was lucky to find it in dense bush. Might as well take up bow hunting!
At 5 metres that would be perfect for a Bow with good broad heads the make a real mess with lots ob blood.Quote:
Originally Posted by MB
not a 300BLK but i've seen a goat shot through the front shoulder's with subsonic 308 and it shrugged it off and walked away. a super a bit later was a bang flop
What you don't have in velocity, it's better to make up for in bore size and weight. Unless you can reload specialist projectiles, get a big cal.
Here’s a hind I got the other day on the bush edge with a Lehigh 168gr Controlled Fracturing sub, shot at 80m and only ran 25m before running out of oil pressure.
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...52a063cb_b.jpg
@woods223 what rifle are you using ? what sort of twist rate?Quote:
Originally Posted by woods223
Winchester Model 70. 1:10 twist from memory.
