Thread: Organic farm

Originally Posted by Rushy

I have to say that the whole "organic" thing seems like total fucking nonsense to me. I would argue that any animal and any vegetable is organic particularly given Marty Henry's erudite description on the previous page. A grumpy old bugger like me reckons a chook is a fucking chook regardless of what it has eaten. The only difference between a chook that has spent it's life running around a paddock scratching in the dirt and a chook that has been caged, pumped full of growth hormones and fooled into eating a shitload more mash is that the latter is a damn site more tender and a whole lot more of a plate filler.

Consider it more from a business perspective than an ethical one. If the investment pays back better than current non-organic model then it's got to be worth the consideration. There is a push in Hawkes Bay to be more organic with our food crops and I'm interested. My interest is more from a value added perspective than a lifestyle one though.

Originally Posted by kiwijames

Consider it more from a business perspective than an ethical one. If the investment pays back better than current non-organic model then it's got to be worth the consideration. There is a push in Hawkes Bay to be more organic with our food crops and I'm interested. My interest is more from a value added perspective than a lifestyle one though.

KJ I totally get the whole business perspective and lift hats off to anyone who can sell a two dollar turnip for ten dollars. Back in the nineties I made a lot of money taking a service that every competitor sold for seven bucks a week while I sold the self same thing to customers at twenty eight bucks per week simply by promoting it as the best service available. That said, I still think that the whole "organic" thing is a crock of crap and I believe that most of the people that buy organic whatever's do so because it is a trendy thing to do and they couldn't tell the difference between two steaks or two glasses of milk in a blind test. What really shits me is the converts are worse than a reformed smoker or a born again religious fanatic when they start preaching the benefits and the truth be known they know jack shit about it. Fuck mate you got me ranting. Steady Rushy it really isn't that important. Ha ha ha ha

Originally Posted by Rushy

KJ I totally get the whole business perspective and lift hats off to anyone who can sell a two dollar turnip for ten dollars. Back in the nineties I made a lot of money taking a service that every competitor sold for seven bucks a week while I sold the self same thing to customers at twenty eight bucks per week simply by promoting it as the best service available. That said, I still think that the whole "organic" thing is a crock of crap and I believe that most of the people that buy organic whatever's do so because it is a trendy thing to do and they couldn't tell the difference between two steaks or two glasses of milk in a blind test. What really shits me is the converts are worse than a reformed smoker or a born again religious fanatic when they start preaching the benefits and the truth be known they know jack shit about it. Fuck mate you got me ranting. Steady Rushy it really isn't that important. Ha ha ha ha

Take a few deep breaths boss and maybe a Waikato or two. You'll be right.

Originally Posted by kiwijames

Take a few deep breaths boss and maybe a Waikato or two. You'll be right.

Of course. A beer is exactly what I need.

Originally Posted by kiwijames

Consider it more from a business perspective than an ethical one. If the investment pays back better than current non-organic model then it's got to be worth the consideration. There is a push in Hawkes Bay to be more organic with our food crops and I'm interested. My interest is more from a value added perspective than a lifestyle one though.

I think most dairy farmers in NZ pondered converting to organics after the recent announcement. However, it take 3 years of 'farming organically' before you are 'certified organic' and recieve the $9/kgms. Fonterra will pay you a little bit extra during the process. Unfortunately, to become organic you typically have to reduce your milk production by about 1/3, some costs will reduce but not enough to make up for the drop in production. (Most farmers will not have the cash reserves to fund this) Then........you finally achieve 'certified organic status', only to find that conventional milk prices have recovered and organic milk supply has increased and we are back to a $1.50/KgMS premium (not worth it)

Originally Posted by Rich007

I think most dairy farmers in NZ pondered converting to organics after the recent announcement. However, it take 3 years of 'farming organically' before you are 'certified organic' and recieve the $9/kgms. Fonterra will pay you a little bit extra during the process. Unfortunately, to become organic you typically have to reduce your milk production by about 1/3, some costs will reduce but not enough to make up for the drop in production. (Most farmers will not have the cash reserves to fund this) Then........you finally achieve 'certified organic status', only to find that conventional milk prices have recovered and organic milk supply has increased and we are back to a $1.50/KgMS premium (not worth it)

So some of these cockies would have a chance to stop with the over stocking? As for milk recovering, we'll see. By the time it does councils or more importantly the public will be playing mary hell with the cockies over water...

I shoot organic spots, they don't want pure copper as that is a bigger contaminator than lead.

Organic itself, sweet money maker and the market is only going to get bigger. Faster. Just think dairy farms that aren't killing the country by having half the stock numbers but earning the same..... Silly not to.