Thread: Subsonic 22 ammo suggestions .

Winchester 40 and 42 has turned to crap, cases with ripples, inconsistent velocities and dirty. Shame because I found it killed better than CCI but I am back to CCI now. Eley subsonic is very accurate if a little more pricey.

I made this up out of a 22 off cut, the top part of a lee 223 die that was stuffed. Works Well

Hollow points, opening up and increase depth, works well

Originally Posted by flock

I made this up out of a 22 off cut, the top part of a lee 223 die that was stuffed. Works Well

Hollow points, opening up and increase depth, works well
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Do you just tap the point of the 223 rod into the tip of the 22 bullet? Or what?

Yep gently with a hammer, place bottom of bullet on a offcut off of 4by2 if the percussion part worries you, done heaps no worries. Would have loved a Walse die set up https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bc76Qa54U6Y but to hard to get into NZ

I just got given 2 pkts of USA 40gr .22 lr and went down to a nice sheltered spot and did 60m target.
Failed miseraby. No group under 2inchs, 2 shots of ten were in bull rest floating outs side edge of a 2inch circle.
Threw in 5 aussie 42gr for comparison.
5 shots sub inch all in kill zone.
Looks like got a full packet of winchester aussie ammo to find a replacement brand. Aarrrgggh

I will never buy Winchester products again after a crap batch of primers pitted my 308win bolt head.

Originally Posted by Shearer

I will never buy Winchester products again after a crap batch of primers pitted my 308win bolt head.

I had some Winchester M22 target/plinking shit a few years ago.lots of lose projectiles and squib loads. Took it with me when I moved house as to busy to take it to plod for distruction. Forgot it was fuckt and ended up having to take 6 inches off my 22. Other Winchester subs wouldn't eject ....... Their centre fires ok but their 22lr's been shit for a while.

Originally Posted by Shearer

I will never buy Winchester products again after a crap batch of primers pitted my 308win bolt head.

think thats bad, i bought some 7mmRM cases and 4 were unusable out of 50 brand new

Has anyone tried the RWS stuff that reloaders sells.

Originally Posted by Nathanfish

Has anyone tried the RWS stuff that reloaders sells.

Have used RWS primers for last 25 years, never had a problem with them.

Originally Posted by flock

I made this up out of a 22 off cut, the top part of a lee 223 die that was stuffed. Works Well

Hollow points, opening up and increase depth, works well
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I did exactly what you did except I squeeze them up in a vice. I fired a bunch of standard velocity and subs down the range last year and the standard velocity RWS solids I turned into HP's shot the best out of all of them in two different BRNO's.
My HP plug is a little larger that the Aussie Win Subs - and they're getting up there.

Takes a little while to do them, but worth it IMO

RWS Club shoot well in my brno. But they are a solid. I did this in a drill press using a bolt and the adjustable stop to get this result. Still to test for accuracy and kill improvement.

Yip the Winchester subs have gone to the dogs, misfires, hard extractions, poor and very inconsistent groups and group sizes was really starting to think it was me. Fortunately I had a brick I bought many moons ago of the Aussie made stuff so I am now working through that. The recent brick I bought only creates a heightened level of frustration and makes the small game shy, but not dead. Will track down some of the Aquila or CCI stuff it sounds good.

'Oldbloke' - that tool of yours does a really nice 'flat point' - remarkably simple too.

The one I made was like 'Flock's', except my HP plunger is made from a brass bolt that slides in the barrel rifling. I just squeeze them up until the plunger stops moving forward because it's flush with the barrel - they all come out the same.
I started doing that because I was getting lousy accuracy with a lot of what I had, so I measured them (micrometer) and found some quite a bit undersize - so the hollow pointing was designed as much as anything to increase the diameter to chamber diameter (.225") - and it did that.
What I did find was that altering the bullet profile did nothing in the most part - I was getting the same size groups after the process as I was prior - all I was getting was a bigger hollow point.
There was some improvement with some brands - it did tighten up some CAC high velocities I had for over forty years which were already HP's.
Every few years I'd bankrupt myself stocking up - and I still have a lot of stuff from back yonder.

I think I started all that because I bought a couple of bricks of Aussie 40gr subs (Wincheter) and was a bit disappointed with accuracy - they didn't improve. But, within their limitations they perform in the guns fine and kill rabbits very well - just gotta be closer.

Result of all that just showed an innacurate bullet is still innacurate regardless of what it looks like.

I should point out I had no feeding problems in the BRNO's changing the bullet profile - but an auto might be different ?