They are a nice unit the Bergara's. Will you be firing heavy subs as well ?
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They are a nice unit the Bergara's. Will you be firing heavy subs as well ?
I reckon I'll get there. It's inevitable. I reload -45/70 but Id rather not roll my own projectiles as I've already hot 5 other calibres I reload for.
Can one purhase or acquire good lead projectiles in NZ. 500gr lead at 1000 Fps sounds awesome.
One of the blokes in an earlier part of this thread had a mold for 500's. I know that 405 is the standard and the deal that berg 243 mentions is very good, but doing a bit of a mental calculation a 405 will only have a muzzle energy of 1000 foot pounds and compared to my 44 with 300grns (muzzle 700 fp @ 1020 fps) I don't know if it is enough of a step up. For my new project gun I am looking for some 500 grn hp's myself right now too. It is an interesting debate over the Hp or big Metplat. My conclusion after looking at youtube big bore air rifles and tests on Black powder arms - minie balls etc is that if the projectile is 'long for calibre' and made of a lead /tin mix it can have both good expansion and penetration. Did you blokes have a look at the Outlaw State website ??
The extra 500 grains going from 405 to 500 will only give an extra 100 or so fps keeping velocity the same. Cast lead at subsonic velocities behaves differently to what you would expect using the supersonic jacketed bullets rules of thumb. Everything Ive read about and seen happen with big cast bullets relates to meplat being the major consideration and not foot pounds. Hollow points often dont open up unless bone is hit, and a solid lead flat point will also deform quite nicely in this case. I shoot the lee flat base 405 in my trapdoor both for target and the occasional hunt. I think its a bit too easy to overthink things. Ive done that myself on numerous occasions end result a long trip back to where I started. Try the 405s get familiar and go from there.
Don't worry MH I have already been over thinking, complicating and driving myself crazy. I even suggested a song to Rossi by the 'Kongos' that I have been listening to which says' I think I nearly thought myself to death etc'. The extra 100 grns will give around 230 foot pounds more energy but more importantly gives length to the projectile, which in a soft projectile with a Hollow point will help hold it together I believe. In the 44 (.429) the 300grainers are too short but heavier than 340 won't stabilise. I am sure that you and Rossi are quite right that a 405 is heavy enough with a big metplat bullet but for a hollow point a 500 might well be better. The performance of 60 grain Aguila 22 ammo compared to 40 grain Win is something that I have considered as a reference.
I am going to disgrace a bit here, but have you guys seen the new ruger number 1 in 450 bushmaster with its 1 in 10" twist barrel?
https://ruger.com/products/no1/specSheets/21304.html
That is not to digress at all Friwi, a very interesting and handsome gun indeed. The Ruger is though much too nice of a rifle to be let fall into grubby hands like mine own that would shorten the barrel and ruin it's classic lines and commit all sorts of mortal sins and blasphemous acts with suppressors and the like.
With a 20" barrel already threaded, I would leave it at that first to try it and see how she behave. Then I would consider maybe shortening the barrel and rethreading.
mold blocks arrived . . .
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Mine is 18in long. And DPT got the supressor to within 1mm of the foreend. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...1ecfa6ef50.jpg
last of the 340grn. PaperPatched bullets used today - 111yrds ambushed a group of 8 Goats shooting up at an angle . . no Deer seen
nanny
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Billy
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all bang flops . . .
dont know if anyone saw the .50S&W Contender on TM . . it got pulled by TM for some reason . . but if it comes back can someone buy it, i would but a BIG spend up on optics / project rifle means i cant . . sadly
that looks ever so gory.....good shit bud keep up the good work.
Nice shooting Rossi, impressive damage at subsonic velocities! Must get around to buying some trailboss and running some in mine.
Looks impressive, now to upsize and shoot a couple of stags, watching with intent
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just a bit gory . . . i wouldnt put it on Facebook
that old saying a picture is better than a thousand words comes to mind . . it is a graphic demonstration of what a Big Flatpoint can do even when its traveled some distance and lost some of what little speed it started with.
its not some super slippery AMax, more a flying brick, so some people won't be beleivers unless you show them the pics . . . . & even then some wont get it.
if i have time i will try for to put the bullet thru a leg bone . . . its not a must but it sure helps if you can to do maximum damage.
R.
a bit off topic . . . that 50 S&W contender i mentioned earlier thats on TM has certainly got my interest, some seriously BIG bullets / designs / molds out there that may work in it.
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its not a bad lookn rifle . . . be even better with a dialup scope / surpressor
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looking at that rifle it just screams great bush gun as it is.....might be quieter than expected stranger things have been known to happen.
Took the 45/70 to work today to check some new loads.
Got a much earlier test than expected when 3 of these guys came wandering down the road I was checking for slip and water damage.
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14.6gn trail boss behind 345gn cast was giving 1075fps
plurry AWESOME way to test her out.......make sure to have apple sauce on hand for the juicy roast pork....
now I really really want one.
After being inspired by @rossi.45 and this thread I have got the big and slow bug.
Got a mold from CBE in Australia and cast up these 405 grain bullets after doing quite a bit of reading and research;
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Loaded up a batch with 13 grains of Trailboss and got them going 990fps.
Went for a walk today and got a young fallow for the freezer, was only a 45 yard shot but dropped instantly.
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Not real happy with the red dot so have got a leupold 4x33 with CDS turret coming and will get a suppressor put on once I have a few dollars saved up
well done @Araspring . . that is one good lookn bullet / Sledgehammer
scope choice sounds good . . wonder if Leupold would put a mildot reticle in that model.
probably should have a discussion on scope choices for subs at some stage.
R.
I am wondering what scope to put on my 45/70 short. The 44 has a 4x32 Kahles with the very heavy outer crosshairs and that scope is great for quick target acquisition. I have been looking at the Leupold freedoms too and they have a 'black powder' reticle with heavy outer crosshairs and a sort of mill dot / drop lines system. Would a fixed 6x power be the go for accurate shooting to use alongside a rangefinder ?? Thoughts ??
finally got around to looking at the Leupold Freedom range of scopes, the 1.5-4X20 with the Ballistic Reticle & dialable looks good @berg243 . . . look forward to seeing how you go with it.
fixed 6X scope was a good start for me Moa . . . 200, 300 yard shooting a 6inch square plate wasn't a problem with my Marlin .30/30 with subs . . . magnification is still low enough that close range shooting wasnt a problem & it had enough magnification to make +200 yard hits on Goats & 1 unlucky Deer doable.
I’m looking for any advice on subsonic 400gr jacketed rounds. I’ve got trail boss but most info is based on lead projectiles.
ADI website...have to look around a bit to find it but single action rifle loads is where its at....heaps of great info there..trail boss ar2206 ar2208 three powders that popped out at me. looks to be very easy to go subsonic ..... oops just spotted the jacketed bit.... main screen will give infor on jacketed stuff. you could always use jacketed info/data as starting point.it wont be that far off.
Cheers. For my Begara 45/70 I Cooked up a 400gr Speer jacketed load with trail boss.
1000fps , gentle on the shoulder and sub minute groups.
Nice contrast to my 2200fps load.....
right you lot its far past time for an update of this thread...hop to it LOL.
https://www.trademe.co.nz/sports/hun...1813454463.htm
why hasnt someone bought this yet?????
price sure is reasonable.
Something a little different. Neck shot 400gr Speer at mv 1677, it will make a nice rug.
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is that an old greenriver bushmans friend I spy?????
I take it thats a lama lama rather than the usual dama dama we have been seeing in this thread???
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and the black plastic handled knife????? bushmans friend or the boning one they replaced it with????
2yr old a lot smaller with his coat off will be prime eating.
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