As the title suggests. Impressive?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hY0w1c-gf18
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As the title suggests. Impressive?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hY0w1c-gf18
Cool trail in that vid
sacked! nice shot
Nice shot and with a .243 they are useless arnt they?:D
I thought they were game just attempting it! I mean its only a rabbit calibre anyway isn't it?
Unreal.
Clearly the Elk just lay down out of pity for being within a square mile of a .243 user... :brzzzzz:
And so it should prostrate itself in the presence of such a fine calibre!:cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Pointer
Amen to that brother :DQuote:
Originally Posted by gadgetman
Yes a good shot.
Now I will put my grumpy old prick hat on :)
Typical Yanky high spine shot, a 223 in the same spot would have had the same result.
Nice how they pan away straight away, so you can't see the animal on the ground.
Very unlikely it was a clean kill as in the narration.
Rant over sorry....
I take your point Greg and agree but it could well have been a high lung shot(my preferred if neck not practical) as this will usually still shock the spine enough to drop it on the spot,and by the time they recover from this they have already bled out. Low= still in the lungs or heart. high= spineQuote:
Originally Posted by Kiwi Greg
Exception to this for me is if it will be prick to find if it travels or rolls any distance then I try to break both shoulders
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Originally Posted by veitnamcam
Yep I know what you are saying but that isn't that likely with a "little" slow calibre like the 243 & that shot looks very much to me to be a spine shot just on/behind the lungs/diaphram
Yea probably was, just saying is all.
Watch a few more of those videos, can't remember if it was Greybull or Best of the West, a fair few elk that get's it in the ass/ belly as well...
Yep seen a couple of them, thats why they zoom out straight away;)
Have to agree. The back legs drop first, it almost sits momentarily. That isn't normal for a spine concussing shot so it must be a direct spine hit as Greg states.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kiwi Greg
Large heavy bodied deer, 688 yards, 243. Posted and boasted on YouTube ?!!
Sorry for me this is plain wrong on so many levels.
So 2012, how shit rolled back then on the internets.
grumpy old man number 2 here
I dont have figures for 105 grn but do have for 100grn.
if we are generous and say they are getting a neat 3000fps (which is pretty much max for 100grn)
so we will stick to figures for the 100grn the 5% extra weicht possibly off set by less velocity???
start at 3000fps by 500 yards down to 1890 add another hundy down to approx 1740(500 figure from start of 2800) giving energy of 671 ft-lbs .68 sec in flight and 50" drop
good shot....maybe????
responsible.....yeah nah
plan B if she cocked it up or bullet drifted 6" back into guts?????? didnt see back up shooter in clip and dont think she had enough time/experience to throw that bolt and get back onto target if it went south going on the few comments made.... sure they are at altitude so rifles shoot flatter than at sea level but the room for error is huge.....
Anyone notice the bullet pass through and hit the brush in the background?
Fyi. i'm getting 3000 fps with 105 bergers and 108 eld-m over a chronograph. and yes it probably has some error.
that gives me over 1000 Flb of energy at 500 meters not yards.
Yes 24" barrel and custom action but only running at book max loads. Have gone 1 gr hotter wheb working up initial load just to see if i had any room left for temp variations etc
no issues brass chambers Just fine. Win supreme 780, lapua brass etc.
you don't gave to be too pinpoint accuracy wise. large animal has a larger target area and those bullets genade.
Not suggesting I'm capable of making that shot but my rig is. goats at 400 are pushing my limits.
Zq
Big difference between 400 and 688. 688 with a 243 is stunt shooting in my book. Save it for the paper or steel.Quote:
Originally Posted by ZQLewis
I guess its not much different to shooting Reds with a 222/223 at 300 yards. Plenty of that goes on.
Here we go again right or wrong it can be done in the right hands fuk me I shot a pig with a 22 once what a sinner
I think that it is relevant to re-examine this now in 2018. In the last six years there has been a big take-up of long range hunting. Just because we can hit an animal at long range with a 243 etc that doesn't mean that it is ethically right. That is what is being explored here. If a 300 win mag or similar was used I would feel a lot happier.Attachment 90918Quote:
Originally Posted by Moutere
It was more a sarcastic comment on the age of the thread.
A terrific shot either way no matter how you look at it.
Not something I'd likely attempt personally, but certainly as internet worthy as it was lucky.
At over twice the distance you would have to be twice as accurate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tahr
105 amax @ 3000fps = 826 ftl-bs at 688 yards. 26lbs more than you need.
If you can pull this shot off reliably (10/10 times) on steel then crack on.
Ethics are up to the individual, I reckon 800 ft-lbs is the ethical minimum for reds and thar. Never shot Wap / Elk, but would surmise that 1000 ft-lbs would be about right even if the above evidence suggests otherwise.
“A peculiar virtue in wildlife ethics is that the hunter ordinarily has no gallery to applaud or disapprove of his conduct. Whatever his acts, they are dictated by his own conscience, rather than by a mob of onlookers. It is difficult to exaggerate the importance of this fact.” -Aldo Leopold
yeah/nah - its nothing to do with ft lbs, its about respecting your quarry and making sound/ethical judgements. Hell, if you want to be a hero get your mate to wander out to 688 yards and stand there holding a 6 in gong while you take "the hero shot".
Its not about being a hero.Quote:
Originally Posted by chainsaw
Understanding the science behind ballistics, having good gear and practising enough to make a clean shot is respecting your quarry.
Distance has nothing to do with it. I have seen plenty of fuckwits wound deer up close....
I think if we were to be honest each and every one of us has wounded an animal be it deer pig goat bird or whatever at least once
Yep. I have. You slink off home a bit green around the gills, think about how you should've been more disciplined, and how not to do it again.Quote:
Originally Posted by northdude
For the 243 users: what kind of range would you draw the line at for a no bullshit shot at a large animal, eg an adult red?.
I don't shoot past about 150 with any of my rifles as I like the stalk and makes it easier to find it if I'm closer in saying that I've done longer shots a couple of times but it needs to be perfect conditions but I don't make a habit of it
I shot heaps of Reds and Tahr around the 350 yard mark with my .243. Some a bit further out to 400 or so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Max Headroom
Knowing your shit and having a bit of patience are important.
I've had no less stuff ups with the .223 and .243 than I have with bigger calibers.
Just saying. But what I do in the privacy of the mountains isn't up for debate really. Its between me and the trees.
Yeah, we all can, and probably all have, stuffed up shots and wounded animals at a variety of distances. Up to the individual to set their own limits and make their own judgements. For everyone there must come a point (due to the physics of the shot and the limits of accuracy) that the probability of failure outweighs the chance of success.
I often wonder how many long range videos never make it to You Tube because people aren't so keen to show off their failures.
Spot onQuote:
Originally Posted by Tahr
If they can bowl a deer over at 688 with a 243 how far can I get the mighty 308 too , im thinking 1200 :pacman:
Me and the wife both shoot .243 for reds and fallow. For our regular 1:10” twisted 20” barrels, 400yds on a perfect day in a perfect position is our max. 400yds will have to be no wind at all, relatively level-ish shot, say +/- 10°. 100gr ProHunters. Lots of practice in the 300-400yds kind of range, shooting a 6” gong. Keeps us in the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Max Headroom
I think there's a good probability the rifle in the video is a custom 1:8" twisted job. Living in the States with my rellies, I got a helluva education in long range .243 Winchester. They used them as coyote guns mostly, shooting way out there, well past what this girl in the video shot the elk at. Their .243s were all 1:8" twisted custom Savages, shooting the Berger VLDs and 105gr A-Max. Far out they were accurate rifles. Custom 1:8” twists were popular and quite common, before the 6.5 Creedmoor came along.
My cuzzies, that shot those rifles regularly at coyotes at those kind of ranges, and more, would back themselves any day of the week to make that shot. Whether they would take it with the .243 is a different matter, my guess is no, they wouldn’t, as they had guns for coyotes, guns for whitetail, guns for ground squirrels, guns for elk…
If that’s the case, if it is a custom job, it doesn’t really compare to the sensible max for a bog standard factory .243 Win. I wouldn’t even think of trying that on a red at that range, with a regular 100gr softpoint. My 1:10” barrel won’t shoot a long VLD type bullet, nor would my 1:9.25” Remmy, nowhere near well enough for a shot like that.
Next to the 6mm 105 vld with a .545 bc at 3000fps Im thinkin you have one to many zeros on your 308 estimate. :ORLY:Quote:
Originally Posted by Boaraxa
