Looks like the Kaimanawas are going to get an aerial thrashing of 1080 come 1st of May. There goes my winter hunting plans for Sika for that area. :(
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Looks like the Kaimanawas are going to get an aerial thrashing of 1080 come 1st of May. There goes my winter hunting plans for Sika for that area. :(
http://www.doc.govt.nz/pagefiles/110...lock-kaipo.jpg
Come over to the kawekas
Might have to. Whats the easiest way of getting in there if your coming from JAFA land?
Kaweka is getting a decent dose too.
Welcome to our world :XD:
That looks to be only a very small area?
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Yep small as, can shoot from one side to the other if i tilt the barrel at a 45 deg angle :)
Barely worth mentioning then...will have no noticible effect on deer numbers.
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Must have some left over budget to poison us with then!
Guys & Girls,
It is pointless just commenting about the Dept of Corruptions plans to poison OUR RHA for the 3rd time in 5 years!!!!
You may think that it is a pointless exercise jumping up & down & pulling your hair out about this sort of ecocide but you do need to do something!!!!:pissed off:
I suggest emailing the Nat Exec of NZDA at: info@deerstalkers.org.nz and the new Sika Foundation at: info@sikafoundation.co.nz and expressing your views in the strongest way possible. NZDA have an obligation to do EVERYTHING that they can to stop this kind of crap but appear to have put it in the "too hard" basket????
The new Sika Foundation is in it's early days & is feelings its way so may not be in a position to do much YET??? If they're successful at getting Sika classified as an" animal of significant importance" ?? then they will have a legal opportunity to get the 1080'ing & gunship killing of OUR Sika stopped once & for all.
So go to it team. Send in your emails. The more the merrier & then it won't just be me & a few others getting off our fat arses actually making an effort; & I'm not saying that many of you are???.;)
To my way of thinking, this is what this forum is all about. A huge group voice aimed ( excuse the pun) at the poisoners & gunship operators.
an argument against 1080 coming from deer stalkers will never be well respected, all they're trying to do is save their hobby of killing an introduced species while 1080 is dropped to try and save the native species.
How about getting a fund going for some independant and peer reviewed studies into the effects of 1080 on national I've species, water quality and native forest health? It will hold more respect than a bunch of grumpy letters, however the studies, if conducted, are likely to work against deer stalkers interests.
The purpose of my post was for forum members to give the two groups mentioned some ammunition to use against the "forces-of-evil". If they were able to say that they have had 1000's of communications opposing the Dept of Constipation's plans to drop the 3RD dose of 1080 into one of the most heavily hunted areas of NZ, they MIGHT raise a few eyebrows????
Remember too, we do have a few friends in the funny farm that Don Key is in charge of!!!!!
I strongly suggest you go to these sites Savage1 and study them carefully.
1080 Science | Scientific findings on 1080
[url=http://www.1080.org.nz
Live and learn
Laaaammmme. There goes our plan out the bloody window aye @Rusky
[QUOTE=Woody;443450]I strongly suggest you go to these sites Savage1 and study them carefully.
1080 Science | Scientific findings on 1080
[url=http://www.1080.org.nz
Live and learn[/QUOTE]
I suggest you look into the studies to see if they've been peer reviewed. The anti 1080 brigade is well known for pseudo-science. Science is a method which they often choose to ignore when it doesn't suit them but jump all over if it does suit, much like religion.
Read some respectable studies with a genuine open mind and you might be quite surprised at what you find.
Precisely Savage1
The entire area of the RHA has been trapped before and could be again; instead of the desecration with the green rain mate.
Just to be clear, I don't advocate using 1080 where trapping is financially viable and effective.
1080 isn't ideal, but it's better than nothing. Well, for the native fauna and flora.
Later:
I presume that there are a few dedicated Sika hunters on this forum who would like to protect & preserve our favourite critters????
I'll let the loungechair lizzards wallow in their belief in the efficacy of 1080 BUT I would implore those who REALLY care to join me & a few others & contact the organisations mentioned & give them ( NZDA particularly!!!) a real taste of what you think. These catastrophies of poisoning can be stopped if enough pressure is applied. (by us & them). Particularly in RHA's. I still can't believe that the arseholes got away with 1080'ing the Blue Mountain fallow herd all those years ago!!!!!!!!!:pissed off:
The odd letter to your favourite MP wouldn't hurt either!!!!!
The very interesting thing about the two websites I mentioned are that they both rely on facts, not innuendo. In the case of the 1080 science site, if people care to examine the section on the ERMA Index you will find literally HUNDREDS of extracts from DoC, AHB and ERMA evidence and other government / publicly funded organizations and by studying these you will see the distortions that have been fed to the public by the "unofficial" media statements which do not reflect the actual science (contained in the INDEX) which propaganda in fact mostly cannot justify the widespread application of 1080 poison.
Contributors to the two sites include several INDEPENDENT (of government) PhD scientists and qualified Foresters. There is an ocean of difference in the comparative credibility of these independent people compared to government employees bound by employment and non-disclosure terms of employment contracts typical of DoC and most other government departments. Police are a government department too.
Not many people are aware that the Animal health Board (AHB)was set up by a exclusive branch of high government which has powers to operate without reference to parliamentary public disclosure, in 1998, called "The Executive Committee". This executive Committee, chaired by the Governor General and including the Prime Minister and other senior Ministers operates outside normal parliamentary process. The AHB was set up by this "Committee' in the guise of A Charitable Society' and thus was exempt from public scrutiny, auditing, AND exempt from the official Information Act and Ombudsman Investigations;-- until 2013, when our public pressure brought in more public accountability. While being funded to the tune of over a billion $$ of public taxpayers funds via treasury, this protected semi secrete organization was allowed to promote mass spreading of 1080 poison along with government funded media cooperation to promote themselves outside the secrecy surrounding their accountability, which was inflicted on the unsuspecting (but paying) public of NZ.
More recently, $5 million dollars of West Coast Regional Council ratepayers funds was secretly invested in the new 1080 factory set up in Rolleston, without any consultation with West Coast ratepayers. The CEO of the West Coast Regional Council, in cahoots with the Resource Consenting Authorities , which Nick Smith is the head of (Because he is Minister for the Environment), along with the government installed commissioners running E-Can, have become profiteering business associates of the poison and the poison factory which they also issue the resource consents for , to drop it all over their region.
Police will do nothing about these occurrences, citing them as "Civil matters", not criminal matters.
LoL ! :D :wtfsmilie:
Businessman grieving at time of 1080 threats, court told | Radio New Zealand News
Kerr has some interesting comments here.
[QUOTE=turtle;443770]Was down Haast recently, they are as expected anti 1080. Given tip by "Vocal Local" to read book "The Third Wave" Poisoning the Land by W F Benefield.
This a book that should be taught in schools today about NZ history and how we have come to destroy "Godwana" since the the first immigrants arrived. 1080 is an empire building exercise.
Yes Turtle. The author sent me a copy and I read it again just recently. It is certainly an eye opener & explains NZ's geological and fauna history from way way back.
One particular section talks about how open the Moa caused the forests to be by their browsing of the vegetation !!! So open in the under story that the worlds largest eagle ( the Haast Eagle) could fly through the forested areas freely without smacking into trees!!!! I don't think the 250,000 odd deer and the odd possum is causing THAT sort of browsing modification to our forests despite what the propaganda merchants in the Dept of Constipation and their tame tree huggers might say.:pissed off:
Great book, every library & school should have a copy. If they haven't?? get onto them or buy a copy
and donate a copy to them.
I'm glad you brought the subject up
WELL WORTH THE READ.
Yes Woody, you're spot on!!! It is interesting that at least three scientists that we know of, who were employed by the Dept of Corruption or associated Govt organisations, who tabled reports about the damage caused by 1080 to the native fauna ( birds,insects etc ) lost their jobs and their reports never saw the light of day!!!
Secret Executive Committees and untouchable Charitable Societies?????? You'd think George Orwell MIGHT have known what was in store for us????
NO CORRUPTION IN NZ POLITICS, EH???????????
Rusky,
I imagine that you would be a bit disappointed at the almost complete lack of interest in what the Dept of Constipation is about to do for the 3RD time in 5 years????
I've tried to stir the dedicated Sika hunters up & like you was hoping for some positive reactions. It took about 3 years for the animal numbers to come back to the stage where you could see some sign during a hunt. I recall a hunt during the summer of 2012 when there were NO flies in the bush!!!!! That is one dead environment.
Any ideas on how to wind these turkeys up?????
AND: good on ya for bringing the matter to everyone's attention:thumbsup:
Savage me old trout. If you truly believe that 1080 poison ( one of the most toxic insecticides known to man and banned in almost every country in the world!!!) actually SAVES our native fauna then you need to watch a DVD called "Poisoning Paradise" which can be seen on youtube or TV Wild :: Home. After you have watched that extremely revealing dvd you may wish to revise your thinking???? I challenge you to take the plunge & actually watch it & then let us know what you think???? There ya go!!!!:thumbsup:
Have just received this email which may or may not contain truthful info????
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Just got this about the Clements Rd 1080 drop planned for July this year.(2016)
A number of infected possums, pigs and deer have been found in the area during the last 10 years, these have contagious bush with the Kaipo operation - No infected herds are within the area, this therefore determines that the infection is sustaining itself within the wild animal population - Under the proposed strategy we have the objective of eradication of TB from possums by 2040. To do this we need to maintain very low possum densities to stop the disease from spreading from possum to possum. Target levels being 2% RTC. Herds on movement control will not play a major part in decisions on when & where TB control is completed under this strategy - This operation is scheduled to occur in July/August 2016, weather dependent. Consultation will begin soon - Deer Repellent will be used across the entire operational area
How much of this is bullshit I don't know but guessing where it came from I wouldn't believe much of it:yuush:
we managed to get deer repellant in the south wairarapa with the help of local NZDA and the Aorangi restoration trust, Very few deaths compared to the non deer repellant used years ago
Hamish
Fuck yeah. Science at its finest.
https://youtu.be/esOEyG-HYYs
Go and have a look in the western National Park rivers and report back on what you see.
Because several of them now hold the largest populations of Blue Duck since monitoring has taken place, and quite possibly since pre European times. 1080. Its not all bad.
In fact, if you want I will arrange a day for you in National Park and you can spend it talking with the biodiversity manager and looking at Kiwi and blue duck. You will hear a quite different story to the one that the Graff's spin.
The problem with deer repellent is that the first decent bit of rain after the drop the stuff washes off. The people who make the baits (Animal Control Products(SOE) in Wanganui (correct spelling!!!) refuse to add the repellent INTO the baits so it is integral to the rest of the crap that's in it, like sugar & water repellent.
The Kaimanawa baits dropped in June 2011 were still killing Sika (& everything else) SIX months after the drop. If you had seen any of Stephen Anderson's photo's you'd have seen the evidence. & those baits in the 2011 & 2012 drop had deer repellent added. Deer repellent is a sopp to the masses!!!!!!!!!
I know Dept of Corruption staff who hold non-approved views about 1080 & what it does to the fauna that they are trying to protect & if they ever got reported for saying the things I've heard confidentially they'd be sacked instantly!!!! So don't come at the DOC propaganda bullshit with me sport!!!!
Have YOU watched "Poisoning Paradise"????? I'd really like to know???? AND, I don't think blue ducks actually toddle around the bush getting up close & personal with 1080 baits,eh????( watch P/P & you'll see native birds eating the shit!!!!) Although there are fuck all blue ducks in the Hinemaia & before the 1080'ing of the RHA there were quite a few!!!!!