This is exactly why the 1080 lobby has little credibility, and is getting nowhere. TG, you are actually doing your cause (which I have some sympathy for) more harm than good.
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This is exactly why the 1080 lobby has little credibility, and is getting nowhere. TG, you are actually doing your cause (which I have some sympathy for) more harm than good.
Gosh I don't know how you arrived at that conclusion????? Rude???me???? Never.
But: I do wonder how you 1080 converts/ proliferators arrive at your conclusions if they're not firmly attached to $'s??????? ( & lot's of 'em ) OR. maybe "job security????
Just a passing thought.:D
I'm still waiting for my 1080 bribe check to come in the mail. Hasn't arrived yet. Bastards.
Ban 1080 'cos no-one pays me to like it.
Sympathy accepted.
Having only been on this forum for a short while it is absolutely amazing to me how many of your TRUE HUNTERS blindly accept all the crap dished out by the propaganda depts of the various self interested parties. It does make me wonder how many of you chaps having a go at me are really hunters & not stooges who have infiltrated into the forum to "feel the water" & report back to head office????
Just a thought,eh???? :thumbsup:
That was sarcasm.
I'm not pro-1080, I'm anti-moron
top Gun, you seem to have stopped having a conversation about it and are attacking people- this is the sort of behaviour that has caused countless 1080 threads to be shut down
See I don't know enough about 1080 to give an informed opinion on the topic. Two friends I know (one of which works for DOC) say that its the best and most effective tool at eradicating unwanted species to increase our biomass of native and endangered species. They do however say there are places that need it and others that don't, and the timing of aerial drops plays an important component to how effective it is.
I've never been to a bit of bush pre 1080 drop and after so can't comment to say what immediate consequences take place for better or for worse. I do know one thing and that is if a deer or any meat animal for that instance are living in a 1080 zone, I sure as hell wont be taking the risk of eating something that isn't fully healthy and could contain remnants of the poison. Ill simply hunt else where.
Agreed. Trapping the marginal strip is achieving excellent results. But the initial and important knock down was achieved using 1080. And it will be required again to stop another decline. Reintroduction has nothing to do with survival rates on the rivers, which sadly is now falling again. Until another methodology is found, the cycle of 1080, trapping and 1080 again will need to continue if you want these iconic birds to survive and flourish
Res, I merely reply in kind to the sort of crap that is targetted at me. If someone takes it personally then they can always send me a PM and we can discuss any differences of opinion privately,eh???
It is interesting that like all the twig & tweet brigade who I have met, none of them will accept a DVD copy of "Poisoning Paradise"!!! or admit to having watched it. Funny that:yuush:.
I appreciate your comment tho' & I'll try to be more PC. Let me know if I step out of line again.
Beers.
I don't have a DVD player
Rusky,
All anyone needs to think about regarding this stuff is: The FBI have labelled it the second most dangerous SUPER TOXIN known to man & then ask yourself why is it banned practically everywhere else in the world????? AND: NZ is the ONLY country that aerially spreads it willy nilly all over the place, including onto farmland & poisoning/killing farm stock.
Gimp old sock, You just toss the DVD disc into your computer's tray & press the button.
Or, go onto "www.tvwild.co.nz" and you'll find it & a lot of other damning visual evidence, or
go onto youtube & type in "poisoning paradise" then see the links to all the other video clips.
Brads,
Good on ya. Did you notice how the green dyed baits were so unattractive to native birds that a bush robin was enticed to stand on top of a bait & peck out the cereal grains???? That certainly would have enhanced his life span eh???? Apart from the weka pecking the shit out of a bait & native falcon/hawk crashing & burning from a secondary dose of the lovely humane stuff.
positive species level population outcomes over individual blah blah you're never going to change your mind who cares
The sooner they poison all the rock wren/ kea/ falcon/ kiwi the better.....then its only tb left as an excuse.
I could argue with top gun but fortunately literally no-one of any consequence at all gives the faintest fuck what he thinks, so it'd be completely pointless to consider trying to change his mind
Poison Drop.
June July now, least we get a good roar hunt. Month in there be nice..
Gimp me old trout, if you have a computer than you can either bung a DVD into it or go online as I suggested ( nicely I thought??) and watch it.
As for your last comment?? Tell me how video film taken in the bush can be doctored or filmed on a film set. The Graf lads didn't have the technology like the Dept of Corruption to set up a video of a possum AND a rat together eating a fledgling in its nest.
Keep your head firmly buried and your vision of what's REALLY happening to our bush & native species will expand enormously!!!!!:yuush:
" positive species level population outcomes"?????? What sort of gobble-de-gook is that????
Are you a highly educated university student or have you renewed your membership to Twig & Tweet???????
Please explain what the F'k that statement means. Ta.:thumbsup:
You might also like to enlighten all us peasants as to why Kea are suddenly on the endangered species list?????? They used to have a bounty on their heads & now they're on their last legs & not even DOC will admit to knowing the cause???? Tsk! Tsk!!!
Top gun, you seem to think all computers have DVD players. They don't-five computers in my house and none of them have one as it's just old tech that most people just don't need anymore. It's years since I have used one.
Of course your online option is still valid
Topgun,
- Why does DOC support 1080? Especially with their lack of funding.
- Why does Forest and Bird vehemently support 1080?
- Why does the government support 1080?
- Why does the AHB support 1080?
Pretty simple questions which I can answer easily.
Don't try and tell me a very small poison industry manages to bribe an entire government including opposition parties, DOC, AHB and F&B all the while also influence the studies done to the positive and negative effects of the toxin. Maybe all the antis just have shares in other poison companies.
My Grandfather was a die hard conservationist and studied the effects of 1080 and got into the forests before and after the drops. He was a very honest and intelligent man. He was a big fan of 1080, he said to me that it wasn't perfect but it was far far better than any other option we had. I've watched the Graff videos too.
What's your order of priorities:
- Deer hunting
- Forest conservation, fauna and flora
- Animal wellbeing/suffering