Welcome guest, is this your first visit? Create Account now to join.
  • Login:

Welcome to the NZ Hunting and Shooting Forums.

If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed.

Darkness Alpine


User Tag List

+ Reply to Thread
Page 1 of 3 123 LastLast
Results 1 to 15 of 33
Like Tree78Likes

Thread: Longer Range Shots

  1. #1
    Bos
    Bos is offline
    Member
    Join Date
    May 2017
    Location
    Blenheim
    Posts
    937

    Longer Range Shots

    Shot a hind on Sunday night at 540 yds across a gully with a 143 ELD-X. Elevation was spot on but ended up hitting her bit to far back of the shoulder. Light southerly blowing down the gully but not so much, so experience told me not to allow for any wind.

    Its got me thinking though, whats the general thoughts on the distance you start to allow for wind, and how strong does that cross wind have to be to have an effect

    Thoughts???
    Eat Meater likes this.

  2. #2
    Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2013
    Location
    BOP
    Posts
    952
    540y is a long shot in a hunting situation and any wind would need to be allowed for. Also remember if shooting over a "gap" eg your gully windspeed will be alot higher than what you observe at shooting location and at target. Take a look at @Norway website THLR.com for some super practical how too video. Windcalls are a skill that need practice and can always be improved...

  3. #3
    By Popular Demand gimp's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Location
    The Big H
    Posts
    9,023
    I don't think there's a clear point. Call the wind effects as they are for the conditions and your system, and correct for them. 540 yards is a long way and a little wind will have an effect - for example a 1ms breeze is pretty light, just a breath of wind, but you'd expect about .5mil of wind at 540 yards. 25cm or so.
    Micky Duck, BSA270, Bos and 2 others like this.

  4. #4
    Member Cyclops's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2014
    Location
    In the Mainland
    Posts
    885
    Quote Originally Posted by Bos View Post
    Its got me thinking though, whats the general thoughts on the distance you start to allow for wind, and how strong does that cross wind have to be to have an effect

    Thoughts???
    Wind will have an effect at almost any distance.

    The amount of effect depends on the size of your target area, the wind strength and direction, the ballistics of your projectile, your muzzle velocity.

    Spend some time on a rifle range where the centre 'X' ring is 1/2 MOA - 2 1/2 inches at 500 yards. Wind has a significant effect particularly if it is a gusty cross wind.

    Your description suggests you were shooting in a cross wind and should/could have allowed for the wind and either wound your scope/sights or aimed off.
    chainsaw, Bos, dannyb and 1 others like this.

  5. #5
    Member Marty Henry's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2014
    Location
    Tararua
    Posts
    6,727
    Before Easter we put up a gong "range" for sighting in. It ran from 200 to 720 yds, there was a swirling light to medium breeze from the left. Almost everyone started applying windage at 300 yds and missed. Shots were called off the left edge, aiming centre plate scored 2-3 inches right. At 4 and 500, same thing aim halfway to the left edge, one person with a dialling scope put .2 mil on and called that good.
    Only one guy got the 720, 300 PRC with a sig bdx scope the rest of us ran out of talent at between 4 and 500. A lot of fun and very instructional, as we realized we over estimate wind especially without knowing the actual wind speed and paying scant regard to down range conditions.
    Target sizes, 8 inch at 200, 12 at 3,4,450 and 720 yds and 16 at 500 because the target hanger got confused and wasn't going back to fix it

  6. #6
    Member Micky Duck's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2015
    Location
    Geraldine
    Posts
    22,980
    shooting rabbits up in Mackenzie country one night 30 ish years ago with bunch of guys from Timaru deerstalkers...howling norwest wind...five of us in wagon and three just gave up...two of us were still getting consistant hits at 25-30 yards..when asked how I was managing to hit them...aiming off by a half bunny length!!!!
    NZ32 and Bos like this.
    75/15/10 black powder matters

  7. #7
    Bos
    Bos is offline
    Member
    Join Date
    May 2017
    Location
    Blenheim
    Posts
    937
    Quote Originally Posted by gimp View Post
    I don't think there's a clear point. Call the wind effects as they are for the conditions and your system, and correct for them. 540 yards is a long way and a little wind will have an effect - for example a 1ms breeze is pretty light, just a breath of wind, but you'd expect about .5mil of wind at 540 yards. 25cm or so.
    Makes sense Gimp
    Probably 1 - 2 m/s so 25- 50 cm roughly would be about right

  8. #8
    Caretaker stug's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2012
    Location
    Rolleston, Canterbury
    Posts
    4,905
    Shawn Carlock, a US long range guru said he always dial for the wind, even if is a 0moa dial.

  9. #9
    Sending it Gibo's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2013
    Location
    The Hill
    Posts
    23,220
    Always dial wind
    7mmsaum likes this.

  10. #10
    Sending it Gibo's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2013
    Location
    The Hill
    Posts
    23,220
    Ah snap @stug
    stug and Ross Nolan like this.

  11. #11
    Member
    Join Date
    Sep 2022
    Location
    Carterton
    Posts
    481
    Quote Originally Posted by Hunty1 View Post
    540y is a long shot in a hunting situation and any wind would need to be allowed for. Also remember if shooting over a "gap" eg your gully windspeed will be alot higher than what you observe at shooting location and at target. Take a look at @Norway website THLR.com for some super practical how too video. Windcalls are a skill that need practice and can always be improved...
    This makes sense- wind accelerates uphill. But even if the gully is lined with trees?

    Identify your target beyond all doubt because you never miss (right?) and I'll be missed.

  12. #12
    Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2019
    Location
    Feilding
    Posts
    372
    At 540 yards id hold 1 minute min with what I call a light wind(who knows what you call a light wind).wind is such a tricky thing to get right, a puff early on in the bullet flight will send it way off at long range.

  13. #13
    Caretaker stug's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2012
    Location
    Rolleston, Canterbury
    Posts
    4,905
    chainsaw, Steelo and Eat Meater like this.

  14. #14
    Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2023
    Location
    WA
    Posts
    690
    Print out some range cards with a ballistic calculator. Windage Depends strength of wind and on calibre , 22lr from 20m , 338lap mag 300 gr 200. Go shoot F class or fly blokes adjusts at 100 on

  15. #15
    By Popular Demand gimp's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Location
    The Big H
    Posts
    9,023
    I will correct myself, you'd be looking at about .25 mil at that range with 1ms which is closer to 12.5cm, all very approximate.

    If shooting at these ranges it's very difficult to avoid the odd cockup even with all due diligence and thorough preparation.

 

 

Similar Threads

  1. Sighting a 223 for longer shots
    By EFriz in forum Reloading and Ballistics
    Replies: 10
    Last Post: 07-05-2023, 12:04 AM
  2. Are hunters taking longer shots these days?
    By Daniel L in forum Hunting
    Replies: 48
    Last Post: 27-03-2023, 09:11 PM
  3. 22 Ammo ES and SD for longer range
    By Tentman in forum Reloading and Ballistics
    Replies: 8
    Last Post: 13-09-2021, 10:06 AM
  4. Replies: 26
    Last Post: 12-06-2019, 07:00 PM
  5. longer range hunting
    By superdiver in forum Hunting
    Replies: 42
    Last Post: 13-08-2016, 05:17 PM

Tags for this Thread

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
Welcome to NZ Hunting and Shooting Forums! We see you're new here, or arn't logged in. Create an account, and Login for full access including our FREE BUY and SELL section Register NOW!!