Thread: Molesworth 1080 drop delayed

Originally Posted by Woody

1080 is NOT a naturally occurring compound and it certainly does NOT exist in tea. @Nick-D, you talk about correct science but you have no idea yourself. 1080 is sodium monofluoroacetate, a manufactured compound. The misinformation drivelled by the twig and tweeters is deliberately misleading. There does exist in certain plants in Australia and Africa a compound named potassium fluoroacetate which has a very bitter taste and has evolved as a protection from browsing animals. This also occurs in tea in extremely minute quantities. I can well remember the noisey spokesman for Twig and Tweet expousing to school children that 1080 breaks down to harmless salt and vinegar. This is the sort of crap talk used to denigrate people like the Grafs and others who are at least providing a far more practical view of actual events than either DoC or Twig and Tweet or the government has ever done with regard to the effects of 1080. Obviously the Grafs (and me). know a darned sight more about the science behind 1080 than you do.

Yeah well aware of the synthetic nature of sodium fluroacetate and it minor differences to potassium fluroacetate thanks.

Point being we don't have to rely on Doc or forest and bird Or Clyde Graf or any other party with significant interest or bias. There is a tonne of credible scientific information out there to base your views on. Make your own kind up but basing your entire argument on a emotive and anecdotal video by an ex con conspiracy theorist doesn't get us anywhere. Show me a credible peer review study that backs up about any of grafs claims and I'll happily change my mind. I'm not married to my ideas

For the record I would prefer we phase 1080 out in favour of more specific methods. I realise that this is a difficult and expensive idea too.

I also take issue with the idea that doc and forest and bird are implicit in the purposfull destruction and damage of our endemic ecosystems. They might be full of shit at times but the people in there doing the dirty work are genuinely interested in protecting nz's bio diversity.