If such a high concentration of 1080 were possible (which I doubt) then surly there would be a whole lot more vry ill pig hunters historically in NZ? Just does'nt add up for me. Something is screwy here.
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If such a high concentration of 1080 were possible (which I doubt) then surly there would be a whole lot more vry ill pig hunters historically in NZ? Just does'nt add up for me. Something is screwy here.
I am not so sure it was 1080. While the symptoms may appear to fit, the dosage and timing seem wrong. Likewise I think botulisim does not really fit. I just hope whatever it is, is clarified so others dont experience the same fate. It sounds to me like a poison / toxin rather than organic / bacteria / viral etc. But I dont know. Not knowing is what worries me. How can I avoid something I dont know to avoid?
As often, the heading and first line are contradictory. Illiterate journalists we shall always have with us, it seems:
Heading: "Police rule out deliberate poisoning in suspected botulism case"
First line: "Police won’t be investigating a claim that a family who were hospitalised with suspected botulism, were poisoned."
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Told you so: https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/hea...waikato-family
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Crikey the plot thickens , sounds like they didn't even bother to test for 1080 maybe if they just say botulism a few more times itl just go away
Hm, just came across this article...
Carbon MonoxideMost meat eaters may be unaware that more than 70% of all beef and chicken in the United States, Canada and other countries is being treated with poisonous carbon monoxide gas. It can make seriously decayed meat look fresh for months.
Carbon monoxide (often referred to as CO) is a colorless, odorless, tasteless gas, one measly oxygen molecule away from the carbon dioxide we all exhale. But that one molecule makes a big difference in that it does very, very bad things to the human body at very, very low concentrations.
CO is toxic because it sticks to hemoglobin, a molecule in blood that usually carries oxygen, even better than oxygen can. When people are exposed to higher levels of CO, the gas takes the place of oxygen in the bloodstream and wreaks havoc. Milder exposures mean headaches, confusion, and tiredness. Higher exposures mean unconsciousness and death, and even those who survive CO poisoning can suffer serious long-term neurological consequences.
sooooooooo........ when I originally said that we could guarantee that if 1080 was involved we wouldn't hear about it I was laughed off....
IF, offal or stomach contents was eaten, would that raise the chance of getting a decent dose of poison if it was a poison in the first place?
It has got to the point that one cannot believe a single bloody thing in print or on video...I dunno why tv 3 even perservers(spelling sorry?) with the "news" anymore...".mediaworks "have totally given up on bringing us the public any facts at all and now produce some "comedy" show for news .:wtfsmilie:
The family friend in the video spoke well I thought and seemed to have a good grasp of of the facts and time line. He said no pesticide tests had been done. Im inclined to believe him over a TV news report at this stage. Something more concrete may come out. I do think it would be a mistake to not test for 1080/brodi and the relative govt departments should be pushing for it. Not testing will just add fuel to the 1080 debate.
Family tested for 1080.
No evidence that it was the meat that made them sick.
https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/natio...-was-the-cause
Yes I read that but thats not what was being said ear;ier and its in contradiction with the report from the family spokesman in this interview. This ambiguity needs to be tidied up
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/hea...waikato-family
Smoke and mirrors, and if some dick said it would take a "bowl full" to have ant affect, maybe 1/2 a bowl should be eaten by him, just to satisfy me?
OK can someone double check me.
Toxipedia says a lethal human dose is 0.5 to 2mg per Kg. (DoC use the 2mg measure for LD50).
An small asian woman weighing ~50kg would to ingest 25-100mg of 1080 to reach a lethal dose.
Doc say they drop baits at 1.5mg per gram, with bait sizes ranging from 6 to 12 grams. So each bait contains 9-18mg of 1080.
So two 12 gram baits would deliver 36mg of 1080 and be enough to be within a potentially lethal dosage range.
How big are 12 gram baits? Are two enough to fill one bowl?
Unfortunately testing the family some time after the poisoning may reveal little. This is a common problem with a lot of poisons not just 1080, acrylamide and glycol. If they weren't tested for poisons on admission we will now have ongoing speculation by conspiracy theorists for ever. Not to mention all this flip flopping and typical low grade click bait media crap. Oh for some real news, just careful attention to the facts, opinions stated as such and at least half an attempt by the reporter/editor to be neutral :pissed off: You know let you make up your own mind....
It almost appears that they didn't want to say they were testing for 1080 as that then made it a possibility which could then reflect badly on the potential for human poisoning.
Fake news and convenient truth?
Have a merry one @Rushy!
Well @Rushy you should have behaved a bit more then you would get some presents ..we all no Santa's little helpers are always watching hoe hoe hoe , looking forward to tomorrow my anty (god mother) received her gun licence in the mail 4 days ago only one present shes getting from me :thumbsup:
Well, there is more to the 1080 side than just settling public conspiracy theories:
If the tests done were negative for botulinum toxin, then ACC should not really decline cover for treatment citing that an infectious organism, not accidental poisoning, was to blame.
...Which is a very good patient welfare reason why the public health officials responsible should consider adding 1080 tests to the samples.
So it has been confirmed now that it was a misdiagnosis for Botulism so what was it?
ACC happy to talk now to.
Due to the time between ingesting and testing we may never know. Lots of poisons break down rapidly, especially in living victims. I seem to remember 1080 takes less than a week for a sub lethal dose. There are other toxins, both natural and man made that could be responsible.
Another thing occurred to me is that maybe the Botulism anti-toxin only appeared to work as the neurotoxin wore off anyway.
That is what they were worried about. They were recovering much faster than the Botulism treatment was expected to work. That's part of what tipped them off that it may not be what they thought (guessed?) it was. In sayig that, if it was going to take weeks to get a test result, then they are not going to wait until then to start treating them as they could deteriorate with a lack of treatment.
Link to article, which states 1080 was also tested for alongside botulinum toxin. Both negative. Creepy mention of a bowl of pork meal still appearing fresh after 35 days, everything else around it rotten...
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/hea...waikato-family
Sounds like the 1080 was tested for 18 days after the fact by which time it will be untraceable, We really should be testing for it straight away in cases like this or others when we spread it around like butter on toast and there is no antidote.
What could it hurt to test for it?
Would it not have been negligent not to have tested all possibilities? I’d have been pissed if I was in this situation and some Doc decided in his personal view not to test for 1080 when it was relevant to the case?
I meant Doctor, F’ing Doc wouldn’t be interested under any circumstance.