iirc other poisons like brodi/similar rat poisons linger for a lot longer and are easily detected (someone correct me if I'm wrong) - which starts to narrow the field of potential suspects I think?
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There are literally hundreds of bacterial toxins from mouldy fruit or veggies or wild shrooms that could have caused it.
As each possible poison requires a specific test, saying they should have tested for "poison" is nonsensical that would involve thousands of tests, a huge number of samples, take ages and then possibly still draw a blank. They picked the most likely options based on symptoms and went with those.
@Marty Henry
Yes, looking at the other way, they did not know enough to justify NOT administering botulinum antitoxin.
From the symptoms it seems to be a neurotoxin, there are many out there.
Didn't read all 14 pages, is it possible to get secondary poisoning from tutu plant/berries?
Yup, best known example is tutu, people have been poisoned by eating honey containing tutu nectar. It has no effect on the bees and now beekeepers must test honey for tutu if harvested in areas where it grows.
You know those big container xray machines they scan all the shipping containers with that find drugs etc...? There is one. Not one in every port, but one that they share....Tauranga, Auckland, Timaru, Nelson, Lyttleton and Dunedin etc...Its worse than the public health system waiting lists.......
@Tommy escobar ain't a small player:D
Anyone else seen the video interview on this lately. Bit of a worry if true. Done by the Graf boys so take from that what you will.
Bias dribble n shit put together by activists, yep ask yourself.
@Gibo do you have a link to the video?
Nah just saw it on facebook, seems all my mates are turning anti 1080 and I see it all come through
This one?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjMCSjs8ICw
Its a close family friend recounting events and timeline. Putting forward a counter argument would be far more beneficial than just throwing the " activists" label at it.
Or this one with the victims telling their story and Graff (?) reading from the nursing notes. ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6i4pZ5RYI4
Thats the one i watched sneeze
Makes interesting reading and a number thought along those lines immediately but unfortunately Graf and his bandwagon doesn’t lend itself to being (neutral) which is a bloody shame, we only want the truth.
Neutrality isn't a prerequisite for truth. It can be those with a passion /obsession that dig deep enough to find it.
Dont let the press / herald hear you say that. they might get the idea that they are allowed to be onesided biased and do poor research or editing. (Some of their grammar should be charged as murdering the english language) I sometimes wonder if any of the reporters can actually read and write now.
Pigs are hard to kill with 1080 and so are humans u would need a death wish to try ,better off living your life and draining your soul on telling people it's the most evil thing since Hitler.Got a duty in this country though because the youth are lazy .
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The New zealand LD 50 for pigs is .4mg/kg so not much and given pigs feeding habits they are in the firing line, they do have a mechanism that allows them to vomit which will save a few Im sure .The LD 50 is simply a lethal for 50% of a population. What isn't known is the maximum dose a pig may ingest and still survive. There is also some question around the toxic dose for a human, it is mostly guess work as far as I can find and comes from some quite old studies.
Has anyone seen,can link, any recent studies on the toxic levels to humans that isn't a regurgitation of old estimates ?
I dont see a lot real investigative journalism in local media, I think the internet has turned news into a race to be first consigning facts to the back of the bus.
Israel has been using 1080 to poison Palastinians and their livestock under the guise of 'rodent control' perhaps they would have some figures on human toxicity ??
Perhaps they are Russian double agents? Novachok