Agreed. Why do we even have to have a thread like this on here? If its not yours or you dont have permission to be there leave it alone. Pretty simple.
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Might want to change your avatar Wirehunt you fukn poacher:thumbsup:
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I've been one for years Dundee. Although I don't bother with farmland. Only the forests we actually own, then some fuckwits leased out. A shame they didn't do a bit more thinking before doing that.
And before you lot get on those 30 hand high horses, those same forest companies have been known to repeatedly illegally close roads, goose-gander thing. Fuck em. If a road has a public easement on it then it is meant to be open the hours of daylight for the public to use. Two wrongs wank wank wank.
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Looks like some bum fluff caught on that bottom wire :D
If I had the money I'd nip us and whip those girlfriends your about to kill from under your snout. :D
Ive got an 8 acre "life style" block in the middle of some good scrub an farm land . Ive had deer on here before and Ive contemplated shooting them and still am. Every time I see the farmers who own the surrounding land Im asked Have you seen MY deer and you wouldn't shoot MY deer would you. Im thinking if they they jump that 8 wire fence and eat my grass then mabey I will.it just seems as if its seen on there land its theres forever . Im not condoning poaching and this maybe a little of track of this thread but Ive realise that Venison seems to make people a little crazy. Bring on Duck shooting I say.
Welcome to the forum antferny; and for those who say that this thread is pointless I'd say that I've learned some new things so that helped.
Also I think Wirehunt likes to yank people's chains just a bit, or am I stating the bleeding obvious?
Works good on keeping pigs out.
I was surprised at how they just run through fences. Was hoping to go after some this weekend. Country is a bit hilly and wont be much good trying to get around it in this weather. That and Hurunui District is a bloody long way on a pushbike, especially coming back with a pig on the shoulders.
Anything is possible Gadgetman:thumbsup:
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What about taking a short cut across a farm to a place u are aloud to hunt?
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There is no such thing as aggravated burglary, and clearly there is a huge difference between carrying a loaded weapon into a home and carrying it across open space.
Clearly there is also a difference between shooting wild animals on private land and stealing domestic stock on private land..
If you don't understand the differences, perhaps less opinion would be appropriate... it is patently obvious that most don't understand the law..
Easter brings out the dickheads around here, although they have had an early start this year, we have had several incidents already in the last few weeks
And here in lies the problem. Because some of the worst offenders are police very little is done when reported. I never have and never will shoot private land without permission. I have clients on the verge of getting "nasty" with people caught on their land and keeping the law out of it, Which is going to open up a whole other can of worms.
New Zealand Crimes Act 1961-232. Look it up.
And in my eyes there is no difference in where you carry a loaded firearm in relation to this, a farm is someone's home and workplace. Would you feel safe with some muppet sneaking around and wondering am I going to catch a stray round anytime soon.
Illegal access is illegal access. Just because its a feral animal you can't legally take it from private property.
Less opinion would be appropriate.
Except your wrong dogg, laws have been changed since then.
As sdogg73 has said.............
232Aggravated burglary
- (1)Every one is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 14 years who,—
- (a)while committing burglary, has a weapon with him or her or uses any thing as a weapon; or
- (b)having committed burglary, has a weapon with him or her, or uses any thing as a weapon, while still in the building or ship.
(2)Every one is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 5 years who is armed with a weapon with intent to commit burglary.
and the link................
The changes not included in my link to the consolidated act are not relevant to sdogg73' point. They are
Amendments not yet added
The most recent version of this Act excludes amendments that are not yet in force from:
What about this Kiwi Sapper
And on conviction one could be deemed unfit to hold a FAL
49 Using, discharging, or carrying certain firearms except for some lawful, proper, or sufficient purpose
(1) Every person commits an offence and is liable on conviction to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 3 months or to a fine not exceeding $1,000 or to both who, except for some lawful, proper, and sufficient purpose, uses, discharges, or carries anywhere any firearm of the kind known as—
(a) a bolt gun or a stud gun:
(b) a humane killer:
(c) a tranquilliser gun:
(d) a stock marking pistol:
(e) an underwater spear gun:
(f) a flare pistol:
(g) a deer net gun:
(h) a pistol that is part of rocket or line throwing equipment:
(i) a miniature cannon.
(2) In any prosecution for an offence against subsection (1) in which it is proved that the defendant used, discharged, or carried a firearm of a kind described in that subsection, the burden of proving the existence of some lawful, proper, and sufficient purpose shall lie on the defendant.
Section 49(1): amended, on 1 July 2013, by section 413 of the Criminal Procedure Act 2011 (2011 No 81).
No this one.... poaching is not a lawful reason
45 Carrying or possession of firearms, airguns, pistols, restricted weapons, or explosives, except for lawful, proper, and sufficient purpose
(1) Every person commits an offence and is liable on conviction to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 4 years or to a fine not exceeding $5,000 or to both who, except for some lawful, proper, and sufficient purpose,—
(a) carries; or
(b) is in possession of—
any firearm, airgun, pistol, restricted weapon, or explosive.
(2) In any prosecution for an offence against subsection (1) in which it is proved that the defendant was carrying or in possession of any firearm, airgun, pistol, restricted weapon, or explosive, as the case may require, the burden of proving the existence of some lawful, proper, and sufficient purpose shall lie on the defendant.
Compare: 1958 No 21 s 16(1), (3)
Section 45(1): amended, on 1 July 2013, by section 413 of the Criminal Procedure Act 2011 (2011 No 81).
Section 45(1): amended, on 1 November 1992, by section 23(1) of the Arms Amendment Act 1992 (1992 No 95).
Section 45(2): amended, on 8 March 1985, by section 2 of the Arms Amendment Act 1985 (1985 No 5).
I agree entirely with your sentiments and mention that IMHO, the Wild Animal Control Act also supports you. A link to an appropriate section……….
Wild Animal Control Act 1977 No 111 (as at 28 November 2013), Public Act 9 Ownership of wild animals – New Zealand Legislation
In particular section 3 a
(3)The taking or killing of any wild animal shall be deemed to be unlawful where any person takes or kills the animal—
· (a)while he is on any land without the express authority of the owner or occupier or authority in control of the land,
which of course presumes that you are the owner and have not issued “express authority.”and of course subsections 3 b and d
· (b) by any unlawful means while he is lawfully on any land; or…
· (d) by discharging a firearm into or over or across any land without the authority of the owner or occupier or authority in control of the land.
Look at you cut and pasters go :D
I don't understand myself either :D
Basically if someone is on your land without permission be it shooting cans /stock or wild animals they are committing an offence or even just being on your land without permission with a firearm
I don't understand myself either :D
Basically if someone is on your land without permission be it shooting cans /stock or wild animals they are committing an offence or even just being on your land without permission with a firearm
Poaching is too broad it does not cover all aspects
No argument with that. The only point of possible confusion IMHO is when it comes to deciding which piece of legislation to nail the bastards with..............fortunately, we now have a quite a "cunt 'n paste" selection displayed in this thread to assist Constable Plod in making that decision. And there is more not yet pasted. See the 2 as yet non consolidated amendments to the Crimes Act.
I am now armed with the knowledge of Section 45
I do have a license for my small amount of knowledge :thumbsup: