Good on ya mate.
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Yep. I backed off as soon as it looked like a kids sandpit fight. Some people just seem to gop through life with blinkers on, and will never be swayed to think outside their own little box unfortunately.
@7mmwsm. Thanks for the insight.
Yup, it is not the country folk at fault, it is not the townies at fault. It is about the few from both that to not follow the rules; legal or social.
Excellent write up 7mmwsm. The guy responsible for keeping things running works like crazy to keep it all together. I've seen a lot of business owners doing the same, start around 6am knock off usually about 10pm on a good day.
I would imagine it would be very tempting for landowners, possibly struggling to pay rates on unproductive blocks, to simply sell the land off to the highest bidder for developement etc.
Fortunately, owner of the 2 QE11 blocks that I have a little knowledge of have been more forward thinking at not "self serving/double dipping " etc.
One block I know of could have fetched millions. The owner instead set it up as a dedicated Kiwi sanctuary, and fund raises in earnest to keep it as such. He does allow pig hunters in, so long as all dogs are Kiwi averted.
The other block belongs or did belong to one of the first families that settled and farmed up this way. They spent generations clearing the land through bloody hard work.
Some of this land proved un-productive but they obviously still had to pay rates on it. This family used a QE11 covenant to protect the land in perpetuity and in effect gave it to the people of NZ. Again, they could have sold up and made a fortune.
Instead, this particular block now provides acces to a rather nice beach which is probably one of the most visited spots on the NI and draws visitors from around the globe, who otherwise would only be able to see it from a boat. Cathedral Cove is its name.
We all too often forget that much of the marginal land (high country) was balloted out to returned service men who would otherwise have never had the opportunity of buying land and for making not only personal sacrifices in the cause of freedom and peace but for coming home and mucking in to make sure that the depravity and devastation which they had witnessed elsewhere would never happen in our beautiful little country.
I am pretty sure that scenario applies to the second case that i quoted EB.
As I am currently working for a member of the family in question, I shall try to find out
You make some good points there 7mmwsm. I can totally appreciate your views and experience. And I know too well from friends who farm that in many instances the amount of feral deer on their property would not sustain regular hunting (notwithstanding their right to harvest that venison themselves). I also appreciate your point about the flow on affect of looking after the feral numbers in the sense that this may contribute to deer numbers permeating public land.
But in my experience (and I'm a hard-working carpenter, that doesn't do dope or is some kind of waster, and has a pretty tidy Mrs . . . .lol) a man can only take so many fob offs and rejections before he says "fuck it". I also sucks when you know some of those you have approached in a very respectful manner have mobs and mobs of deer out the back.
A trespass order/notice can be issued at the landowner/managers discretion if someone has trespassed. A "breach of trespass" is the where the bite comes in, and that can obviously only occur the second time but carries a much heavier penalty.
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Cant be the same Wirehunt I know, chasing poachers off the property we were working.. at every opportunity.. Must have been protecting his patch or maybe he has multiple personalities. :thumbsup:
Maybe another HB case of poaching by hunting guides employee with client but despite camo gear the hunter had a vid with him. Smile for the birdie. Pete Gimblett may have another easy case this time.LOL.
At the end of the day, if its not your land and you don't have permission, then it is poaching.
It doesn't matter who owns that land, I'm sure you wouldn't like someone in your yard with a firearm without permission.
It is frustrating that there is limited land to hunt on. but it is, what it is.
The owners of large lots of land pay rates and most of the time have a big mortgage to pay.
Poachers that take more fish than they are allowed or trespass on others property are just a waste of time.
Proven poachers, should have there firearms licence taken away and guns confiscated.
Or ideally, their nuts removed so they don't breed….
1.i think the technical term is "enclosure". on private property-
2. not every "high fence" is deemed domestic area. a deer behind any fence that does not have a completed enclosure is not guaranteed to belong to anyone unless its tagged and i.d. if not tagged and outside of an "enclosed area" its fair game within the safety parameters of shooting.
3.just becos sheep or cattle stray along the road, doesn't mean they become fair game. they still belong to someone where they have a id tag.
4 Thats a moot point anyway. Shooting is not permitted along any roadway. or within certain distance of roadways.
5. So WH is essentially right.
A lot of sensitive people on here :wtfsmilie:
I like poaching!
Much prefer it to frying my eggs or hard boiling them, just that little bit more classy.
Cheers everyone and what a veritable bundle of laughter times.
I just spent 1/2 hr reading back through all this:wtfsmilie: I still can't work out if I'm aloud to poach or not (just kidding)!!!
I had read a article awhile back in the farming mag from someone at WAMS saying "lets get it straight its not poaching it's trespassing" (I've been trying to find the article I think I've posted it before).
While I would / will not tolerate people on my property there are a few property owners around this area who think they own everything and are making a song and dance about it all with no right! and to the stage where they are becoming the criminal. I hate to say it but I feel like just going there to antagonise them. Before all the ante comes out this is a area open to the public!
Is there a difference between poaching and illegal hunting? yea, to me poaching is stealing other peoples stock! to me there is a big difference.
While there are websites out like WAMS I think the average hunter is now more informed and can back up there reason's for being in the area regardless of what the farmer thinks!
Not sure what I'm trying to say but I'm sure people know when they are breaking the law and I'm sure there are the others that are just pushing it to the limits, mean while I think there are some landowners out there on marginal ground that just whish no body was there.
+1 there's also some dumb fuck hunters out there......
Mrs is on Facebook I'm not about to months ago she's like hey come look at this, low and behold some champ had shot a stag on the farm, and posted the pic up with a a very clear shot of the surrounding area[emoji2]
Seen similar just recently. Some champ shot a promising fallow buck where I got mine and posted photos.
We have photos of the deer when it was alive and it was left alone because it had a year to go and had certain tines broken off the palms.
He is or already has gotten a visit from an angry land owner. 😆
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So bring back shooting anyone that slides into bed with the cook? Shoot any neighbour that nips over the fence? Could have done that yesterday. ....
And let's burn the witches on public place! We will end up not much better than the fuckers from ISIS
I know a a couple of brothers found guilty of poaching.
One was called Thomas the other was John.
Their sentence ..... Ship them to a penal coloney on the otherside of the planet and give them seven years hard labour to boot. :oh noes:
The sentence seemed a bit harsh at the time but it all worked out Ok for them in the end. :)
17th century Brittish Justice at its best.
Guess we've gone a bit soft since then aye!
Cheers
Pete
Busted:thumbsup:
Seven caught in poaching sting | Stuff.co.nz
I hate it when you're poaching and get distracted.
What should have been the perfect 5 minute egg can become a tasteless lump on your morning Vogels no matter how much salt or Worchestershire sauce you use.
@Pengy Hope they the arsholes lighting the pui pui when you where camping there !
He will be in bed Munsey:D
Night night to you too mr penguin,great to see you again. Did Brads give your chilly bag back?
Looks like that deer has been wearing a collar
Friends of mine keeping a few pigs on their farm but the numbers where going down.They got onto who was doing it & apparently was a butchers shop in Morrinsville tied up in the mix. Was a lot of animals being taken .So a group of guys got together to catch the bastards & they got the main offender 1 night.By the time the Komatua & reinforcements turned up they had the hope round the cunts neck & over a suitable branch . Was game over for those ass wholes & a bloody good job they got caught. They eventually let him go with a couple of rope burns & he got the color back into his face .
That's what happens here so & after all its just stock thieving don't think you can call it poaching. Domestic stock on a farm (private property) if you think its fair game I'd be very afraid or have a good lawyer. Wouldn't even think about Mr D's cows unless your suicidal or just sick of living .
It's all called " border patrolling" until you get caught!!!! & then the law can decide which version you get charged with.
Remember though: that anyone caught where they're not supposed to be with a firearm can almost guarantee that their firearms licence will be revoked by our friendly fuzz force!!!! Worth remembering,eh???
I went for a nosey along part of the Wairau near Spring creek (?) today. There, laying neatly folded, were the skins and heads of two nice sized hinds, sitting out in the open on the river flats....complete with ear tags :(
Yup that's right. Until you get caught it is either " border patrolling" or " fringing"
When you're silly enough to get to the stage where you stupidly supply your real name or they ID your vehicle; you can rest assured that your firearms licence will go Ta Ta's too along with a healthy fine. DON'T GET CAUGHT!!!!!