Thread: WorkSafe: hunting on farmland

If they're electricians, they wouldn't need to do the course.

It's a 1 day course, not a 1 hour course. I'm guessing you already know that though.

People complain that something costs too much. Yet they want people to not only be qualified and been deemed competent, but to have a minimum number of hours or years of experience. The more requirements you add, the higher the cost will be.

Experience doesn't equate competence.

Qualifications don't equate competence.

This thread is starting to sound like the entrenched moaning about change. Funnily enough, if the entrenched hadn't been so good at killing and injuring themselves and others, the HSWA wouldn't have been introduced.

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Originally Posted by Koshogi

If they're electricians, they wouldn't need to do the course.

It's a 1 day course, not a 1 hour course. I'm guessing you already know that though.

People complain that something costs too much. Yet they want people to not only be qualified and been deemed competent, but to have a minimum number of hours or years of experience. The more requirements you add, the higher the cost will be.

Experience doesn't equate competence.

Qualifications don't equate competence.

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@Koshogi
Funny thing is now I have handed in my notice I have been informed our Auckland office will be sending one of their technicians down in my last week to "learn as much as possible from me" before I finish!!
Never mind the 2 young guys here has the same bits of paper (Qualifications) as me and the guy they are sending down has supposedly better ones than me........So why are they sending him??
Surely not because of my 25+ years "experience'?? No......... ??
Sadly companies (and modern management) cannot seem to grasp that "bits of paper" do not equal experience nor competence.
Yet HS people who have done all the courses have all the power and no experience, (but then I think you should be able to be a cop till you are at least 30 and have actually had a life of experiences)
In my case this could all have been avoided by addressing the root cause and I would have stayed

I really feel for the farmers who have really been whacked by the whole HS butt covering exercise. God knows its hard enough to find private land to shoot on now.
Soon its going to be impossible.

Originally Posted by mikee

@Koshogi
Funny thing is now I have handed in my notice I have been informed our Auckland office will be sending one of their technicians down in my last week to "learn as much as possible from me" before I finish!!
Never mind the 2 young guys here has the same bits of paper (Qualifications) as me and the guy they are sending down has supposedly better ones than me........So why are they sending him??
Surely not because of my 25+ years "experience'?? No......... ??
Sadly companies (and modern management) cannot seem to grasp that "bits of paper" do not equal experience nor competence.
Yet HS people who have done all the courses have all the power and no experience, (but then I think you should be able to be a cop till you are at least 30 and have actually had a life of experiences)
In my case this could all have been avoided by addressing the root cause and I would have stayed

I really feel for the farmers who have really been whacked by the whole HS butt covering exercise. God knows its hard enough to find private land to shoot on now.
Soon its going to be impossible.

I'd be sick that last week or off on stress leave! @mikee

Originally Posted by Maca49

I'd be sick that last week or off on stress leave! @mikee

Yea dont just give away that knowledge, it is your greatest asset (Moobs dont count )

Originally Posted by Koshogi

This thread is starting to sound like the entrenched moaning about change.

No, not moaning.
But I can see how easy it is to mistake opinion based on personal experience as such.

Why can't we just rely on Darwins theory of evolution, the stupid that kill themselves heighten the intelligence available therefore less workplace accidents will occur??

Originally Posted by 223nut

Why can't we just rely on Darwins theory of evolution, the stupid that kill themselves heighten the intelligence available therefore less workplace accidents will occur??

Because unfortunately the Darwin failures are often the ones that kill the others rather than themselves

Originally Posted by Barefoot

Because unfortunately the Darwin failures are often the ones that kill the others rather than themselves

yep, my experience too. Generally stupid people are still clever enough to survive at all costs and its others who bear the brunt.


@Ryan_Songhurst How do you get on when your friends or Forum Members (like me) who might decide to pop in un-announced if we are going past on way to Ch-Ch

Hi all

This was something that has been suggested to us for our contractors to complete before coming on farm - FarmPass | National Safety Register Whether or not it will be adopted more widely by the farming community is an unknown. It is not an insurance policy but any stretch but is a bit of ass covering for the landowner/manager if something does go sideways.

I have been suggesting to our regular hunters (who hunt on other properties as well) that they look into it too as, at the very least, they can then show the certificate to other farmers where they hunt and demonstrate they have some knowledge of their requirements under the new HnS laws when on farm (but again this will depend on uptake i the wider farm community).

Being on the farm management side of the fence I will be curious to know what you all think.

Originally Posted by mkm

Hi all

This was something that has been suggested to us for our contractors to complete before coming on farm - FarmPass | National Safety Register Whether or not it will be adopted more widely by the farming community is an unknown. It is not an insurance policy but any stretch but is a bit of ass covering for the landowner/manager if something does go sideways.

I have been suggesting to our regular hunters (who hunt on other properties as well) that they look into it too as, at the very least, they can then show the certificate to other farmers where they hunt and demonstrate they have some knowledge of their requirements under the new HnS laws when on farm (but again this will depend on uptake i the wider farm community).

Being on the farm management side of the fence I will be curious to know what you all think.

Just done that. Awesome thanks.

Originally Posted by Koshogi

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Yep I agree but blunt instruments and to much cotton wool long term won't work!

What I'm saying is this flying by the seat of your pants in the electrical compliance world is not on. If it's that serious that we need to test and tag appliances on a regular basis then we need a bloody sight more than some ding a ling with no electrical experience, doing a one day course being deemed good enough.
I also think that being able to do you own compliance shoul be banned! I know of companies not testing but putting compliance tags on gear.
Also be aware of the personal fines if you get it wrong and yes it will be personal, you can't hide just because you are employed by the company your tagging for.

Originally Posted by Maca49

What I'm saying is this flying by the seat of your pants in the electrical compliance world is not on. If it's that serious that we need to test and tag appliances on a regular basis then we need a bloody sight more than some ding a ling with no electrical experience, doing a one day course being deemed good enough.
I also think that being able to do you own compliance shoul be banned! I know of companies not testing but putting compliance tags on gear.
Also be aware of the personal fines if you get it wrong and yes it will be personal, you can't hide just because you are employed by the company your tagging for.

Agreed, totally, depending on your employer your may be "signing off" under duress / fear which may be the lesser of 2 evils until there is a whoopsie and the employer dishes you up to the HS people.

Interestingly am the only EST where I work who also holds a practicing license @Maca49 ; and yet no one has twigged to that small fact, cant be important eh.

Pike rivers interesting as I don't believe they know what happened, there were no mine inspectors doing their job, mangement hell belt on production to keep the dollars rolling and 20 something men who, knowing it was dangerous, kept going down the shaft. My bet would be a contractor cutting corners, same as with any criminal acts everybody suffers?