Thread: Anyone else disappointed with M4s?

Originally Posted by ChrisF

Yeap , I knew all the AR15 fan boys would HATE , my post , unfortunety , due to our restricted access to almost any semi-auto rifle other than an AR15 based rifle ( in NZ ) , and the current GovTs trend to not allow us to have the real cool stuff , it has slanted the veiws on many to idolise only what they can buy or have access to .

I comments about the Steyr AUG , may not be popular , BUT , Opps , I actually make my own mind up on stuff ( ie I am not convinced or brain washed my the USA ) , and usually its based on MY actual experience .
My liking the AUG does not come from , looking at glossy pics in books or any other such dribble , BUT from actually shooting IT , and have fired it quite a lot , both left & right handed .

I would take an AUG or SIG any day over an AR15 , I also like a lot of HK stuff , like there G3Ks , MP5s & HK53s , have not fired the HK rifles , BUT have fired the MP5 & MP5K , and they really do ROCK .

RE : HK 416 & 417 , I know Delta uses the 416 & also I think USMC are adopting a variant , I see Aussie , Brit SAS & French use the 417 and a few other Europen Armies using either the 416 0r 417 .

I also like Brens & GPMGs ( MAG58 ) , and Sterlings L2A3 & the L34A1 , and yeap ,shoot all those as well , like the Steyr TMP/BT MP9 , and yeap shoot that too , UZIs as well .

I have seen ARs that have had major corrision on the uppers & lowers , seen the hinge pin holes so rooted that the uppers twist .

P.S. I have a AR based rifle , BUT its only because I cannot buy what I really want , again thanks NZ , if I had access and was not raped on price , I would have an AUG , SIG550 & a G36 & Stoner63A.

Later Chris

How dare you say the HK are good gimp has looked at ALL the pictures and obviously they are not suitable for his exact needs and whims at this time so obviously they are as useless as a .308. Actually everything is useless unless it has a BC that 'provides some sort of accuracy' according to gimp at the exact time he has that particular calibre, or wants a better calibre, or it's time to show his awesomeness about ballistics once again. Has Gimp ever actually been closer than quarter KM to an animal he has shot, or missed? I doubt it as his amazing awesomeness in everything possibly doesn't let him acknowledge the existence of anywhere outside of gimp world. Less the thought of actually thinking there may be be people who find him a complete and utter joke with his 'my calibre that I have right now is better than you or anything you say, right up until I change my calibre for something even less capable of actually shooting anything othet than a bit of paper at a distance I deem the most important because that is the distance my newest calibre shoots best at -------0.000000000000000000001 MOA at 57,000000000 km's. YAWN.

Right up until bollocks was spouted about on this thread I quite enjoyed it. But the bullshit from people who mostly don't hunt and just shoot at gongs long range - what the fuck has a military rifle have in your world of not even getting close to the animal your dispatching, let alone being faced with combat. MOA means sweet FA in a combat arena.
Join the army see some conflict - fire your weapon against those firing at you. Then slag the military weapons off. But don't slag them off because they don't shoot MOA on a bench in the range.
How many of you have fired a Bren gun and a stirling. When I was growing up we had to learn to use these as defence for my(then) country. They weren't supposed to be MOA they were designed to kill people and they did that quite well - like most military weapons do.