Hello Guys
In terms of functionality and desirability, are there any differences between Aero Precision and Windham in their basic offerings (no Ford versus Holden opinions - oh thats no fun, lets have them too . . . .) ??
Thanks
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Hello Guys
In terms of functionality and desirability, are there any differences between Aero Precision and Windham in their basic offerings (no Ford versus Holden opinions - oh thats no fun, lets have them too . . . .) ??
Thanks
About same quality really.
I would go for Aero myself. Wider range of models/parts available in NZ.
I’m gonna hijack the thread a little.
I’ve seen two ARs for sale in two different shops. One was a CJA with a thumb hole stock and the other a Windham (I think) with a better stock (in my opinion). Both A cats. The difference was $200. My question is..are the CJAs that bad?? Or are you better off paying a bit more to get Murican made..?
TIA
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That's like Lada vs Toyota
German and Belgian ARs are also quality.
I would get the Aero personally. NZAR15 has a good deal on Stag guns at the moment as well.
American made doesn't mean anything. Most of the American made ARs you find in NZ stores are the lowest end 'budget' models from their respective manufacturers (Ruger AR556, Bushmaster/Windham Carbon, DPMS Oracle, Colt Expanse, etc). A CJA would be just as good or better.
CJA is from the land of... average copies, apparently they work alright but the finish on the one I looked at was definitely sub par. The Windham on the other hand is apparently made by the people who used to make Bushmaster, used by our police.
So like comparing a Great Wall and a Toyota.
I would say the upper and lower castings in US AR15s are all the same until you get into real fancy models. The cheap US bolts are finished a lot better than the CJA ones and who knows about the springs etc. Never shot a CJA but at a $200 difference I wouldn't bother. Chinese ARs are a $600 rifle in Canada (I assume made the same) so should be a $700 rifle here. Since only Gun City brings them in they charge a premium and market them as an equivalent to a low end US rifle. IE charge a fortune for something quite cheap.
Not just vehicles and firearms - clothing, TV's, footwear - you name it, one of NZ's big chain stores is selling it at grossly profitable markups.
Need the money to run their super expensive TV ads :omg:
Following. Where does (my) NEA fit in this discussion?
If its anything like mine before it got sorted even a SKS ran rings around it
I would class NEA as middle of the road.
They're a bit of an unknown bag. There's no info on the materials, manufacturing processes or quality control procedures (if any), but they do have chrome lined barrels and carriers which gives some indication that they didn't cut every corner like some of the low end US rifles have.
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ive heard a couple of people that have them recon they shoot well truth be known half the ar shit out there is probably made in china and repackaged in the us
O have had three CJAs, the 11.5” 16” and 20”.
They are good to go.
Finish is shit but they all shot well with 69smk and the Aussie outback loaded ammunition.
I ran my 11.5” very hard and would have put over 2k rounds through it without a drama.
Yes they are an $800 gun, but don’t expect them to be worse than the cheap American stuff (bar finish) as they are all made on Ex US tooling.
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Probably something to consider as well is to keep in mind the furniture on each rifle. If both are pretty similar but you dont like the stock on the cja then the $200 you saved might get eaten up pretty quick when you want to change it out. Same with hand guards. I cant comment on the quality of the recievers as I have never handled either.
Nzar15 does a parts kit with some other bits and pieces required to finish it. It's on the website. All good quality USA made bits. Need a barrel and some other stuff go complete it. Would probably run 1500 or so.
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I’m in a similar boat, decided to go slow and steady and doing a build, so far have decided to go for Aero Precision, I assume an aeroplane manufacturing company will have good tolerances.
From what I understand Aero also manufacture AR parts for other companies who then put their stamp on it, like striker for one.
AR building seems to be a bit like LEGO, building one is probably going to be more expensive than buying one outright except I can buy the bits I actually want as opposed to buying a premade then swapping out the bits I don’t want and buying the ones I do.
At least that’s the plan.
I think I can build a complete lower for about 700.
I suspect the upper will be closer to twice that, then there is going to be an optic, not super cheap all considered but I am hoping to have a good hunting rifle that will fire quick if then be and won’t break easy.
Well I ordered an Aero Precision kit from Digit (NZAR) , pretty modestly priced really when you do a full list of parts and price them separately . . . . and you know its going to arrive and be of known origin.
Thanks for the thoughts guys.
The only barrel I could get was a CMMG 12.5" . . . beggars can't be choosers. I've done quite a bit of analysis with Quickload and I think the 12.5 will work pretty good for my intended purposes (a handy rifle to shoot light game with 125-153 supers on what will be my first suppressed hunting rifle). The alternative was a Ruger Mini 30 and I don't think one of those would get within a bulls roar of a AR accuracy even with the worst imaginable CMMG barrel.
My AR will not be a total throwin to the "Black Ninja" crowd, it'll have wooden furniture - I won't be cooking handguards with mag dumps . . . .
Tui, anybody got a tui quick
Oh you got a blackout. I had a 12.5" CMMG black out, accurate as, real decent barrel.
gota 12.5 cmmg on mine its a good barrel
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I've been looking at purchasing a semi-auto .223 for a number of years but funds have held me back, however after saving hard I'm now actively looking at options. I've never liked the Ruger mini 14 so it seems the only other practical choice is the AR platform. I can see and understand the lego-block assembly mentality but I'm somewhat unsure where to start. So for the wise, I have a few questions if you don't mind:
My requirement is for small game hunting and pest control. A-cat only at this stage.
1. Is it cheaper to rock up and buy a complete AR15 that has been assembled from parts or cheaper to buy the parts and assemble it yourself? I guess we're talking about purchasing from the likes of NZAR or similar?
2. Is the resale value of a "bitsa" going to be better, worst or the same as a branded rifle?
3. If I purchased a good quality branded rifle, would it be typical to then find it necessary to start swapping out parts in any case? Or does it by definition mean that having purchased an expensive branded rifle that the quality is such you're unlikely to need to change things like barrels and triggers?
4. Thoughts on best uppers and lowers? Barrels? Most of the planned use is goats and I'd like accuracy out to 200m.
5. When the desired outcome is a free-floated barrel (which I assume would be necessary to hit something at 200m), do I need to start with that in mind or can that be easily swapped over from a standard rig? ie. without a workshop full of tooling.
I look forward to hearing people's thoughts. It's a learning curve for me and one I should have started 20 years ago. Such is life. I've used a few over the years, such as the H&K, Armalite, Voere and Sig Sauer, just never owned one.
Yeah unless you know people or get some good deals on parts a dpms from guns NZ in Rotorua is the cheapest one worth owning at 1100. You have to put it together though. That deal was around the time of the shot show so no idea if its still valid.
No clue on resale. Depends on what bits are used.
Depends. Sometimes you want to try a new trigger or something similar and then it goes from there. I think buying a good quality one and swapping bits depends on the rifle. And the price range. Some don't need it and others you might think do.
Uppers and lowers doesn't really matter. As long as they're mil spec. Aero is the normally used one. There quite good. For accuracy out to longer ranges with 223 you'd want to spend some more money on a good bolt, trigger and barrel. A PSA EPA is probably the better of the lower end of after market triggers without going for a geissele or whatever it's called. Faxon make good barrel's. They're around 400 odd dollars.
The free float barrel is more of a free float hand guard i think. Which I am pretty sure is just a different way of bolting to the upper.
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