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    Quote Originally Posted by Ultimitsu View Post
    There is a thing called Carbon Ring. It is a ring shaped carbon build up just around the throat of the barrel.

    https://www.rimfirecentral.com/forum...d.php?t=747449
    https://www.rimfirecentral.com/forum...d.php?t=418652
    https://www.rimfirecentral.com/forum....php?t=1118746
    https://forum.accurateshooter.com/th...is-it.3912845/
    https://forum.accurateshooter.com/th...-ring.3929225/
    https://forum.accurateshooter.com/th...-ring.3849274/
    https://forum.accurateshooter.com/th...hroat.3820581/

    All 22LR guns will suffer from this and it will affect accuracy. Different grades of ammo would build up this carbon ring at different pace. Match chamber will experience this a lot faster than sporting chamber. But plenty of CZs can get it quickly too. Once you have it, cleaning with a patch or snake will not do. you really need to use solvent or scrub it.

    Some ammo also leaves a lot of wax residue. When I use CCI STANDARD VELOCITY on my Kidd 10/22, after 150~200 rounds or so there would be so much wax build up that the rounds will not be loaded properly into the chamber, resulting in FTF. This can be cleaned with a snake, but the wax is sticky and can makes the snake very hard to pull. I have snapped a snake doing this. Imagine my headache at the time having a bore snake stuck in the barrel.

    But after I switched to SK Magazine, which is a much cleaner ammo, I do not get this problem for 1000 rounds or more.
    you got it

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    Three passes with a bore snake style pull through, last run with a bit of oil on the tale end of the pull through. that's it for me.

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    Bore snaked my norinco once in 40yrs.Deadly little shooter with its 14in barrel.

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    A bore snake at the end of every shoot session helps keep on top of the waxing issue if the ammo is bad for it. Won't tend to help the carbon build up though. The weirdness with the .22LR cartridge design means that you are basically shoving the pill into the carbon ring on chambering and worse case I have seen of this is literally pulling the bullet out of the case and dumping powder if extracting a loaded round. Probably should have been cleaned a little before that (say 20,000 rounds or so).

    As far as cleaning from the muzzle, on certain models you either clean from the muzzle or you don't clean. Needs must... It isn't desireable as not only is it potentially damaging to the muzzle, you are pushing the crap into the action and chamber. A good muzzle guide and a lot of care are the way forwards there.

    One further point on .22LR's, the case is very thin and not as robust as people assume - also the back of the case head is not particularly well supported in certain designs with extractor cuts etc. It pays to check the extractor grooves and the corresponding bits on the bolt to ensure that the bolt goes fully into battery and also the case head goes fully against the back of the chamber.

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    I use those VFG felt things, work real good on any .22 dia rifle be it centre fire or rim. It really huks the crud out.
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    Does anyone remove the brush from their bore snake?

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnd View Post
    I use those VFG felt things, work real good on any .22 dia rifle be it centre fire or rim. It really huks the crud out.
    Likewise. Been using them for several years.
    If I decide to not do a full wet solvent dung out, a clean with VFG felt cleaners or even the VFG Super Intensive felts is the way to go.
    If testing between brands I'll give the barrel a going over with VFG felts.
    The Super Intensive ones can keep on top of carbon ring build up.

    I see AHG Anschutz now market them.

    Yes, also used them in CF.

    Still have the last of a very old supply of similar felts in 177 cal that are fired thru an air rifle to clean the barrel.

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    I can’t remember the last time I cleaned my Sako 22, probably well overdue for a clean and some Breakfree.

    Still shoots fairly well - if I do my bit.
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    @rambo-6mmrem

    Am thinking my T1x is overdue a clean as i'm starting to get significant fliers with match ammo.

    Can a 22lr handle centrefire cleaners?

    I only have boretek eliminator on hand...

    Otherwise I'll track down some more mild cleaners. I think I have a good deal of carbon and lead to remove

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    Quote Originally Posted by kiwi303 View Post
    @rambo-6mmrem

    Am thinking my T1x is overdue a clean as i'm starting to get significant fliers with match ammo.

    Can a 22lr handle centrefire cleaners?

    I only have boretek eliminator on hand...

    Otherwise I'll track down some more mild cleaners. I think I have a good deal of carbon and lead to remove
    @kiwi303 Id just buy some hopes number 9 mate
    Just about anywhere that sells rifles will sell it and it’s cheap
    Bore tech Eliminator is probably ok though
    They say on the bottle you can leave it in long term
    Although I wouldn’t i would remove it and use proper oil for long term storage

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    Will Hoppes 9 remove carbon rings? I've heard of using brake cleaner. The idea of scrubbing worries me about doing damage.

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    If things get too dirty I chuck some carbin killer through it. Im a bit of a clean freak when it comes to my riffles so clean everything well after every shoot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rush View Post
    Will Hoppes 9 remove carbon rings? I've heard of using brake cleaner. The idea of scrubbing worries me about doing damage.
    Just use #9 for what it's good for, a dab on each wrist and maybe behind the ears and sniff away for hours. Whilst I love #9 and flood my rifle bores with it before storing it struggles to remove obstinate leading and carbon rings and Cu in CFs. The point to remember is carbon is insoluable so most of the snake oil claims about disolving carbon are no true.
    The only way to remove bad carbon rings is by mechanical methods using a bore paste like Iosso. I only short stroke the chamber and then just enough to remove the carbon. And then stop once the carbon is removed. I check with a bore scope. If you continue scrubbing you will get black forever. This is parent metal, microscopic, but never the less, metal. It is important to not let the carbon ring get to the stage be it CF or RF that you need to wail into it to remove it.

    For general cleaning of my RFs I use Boretech Rimfire Blend. It is supposed to remove lead and carbon (there's that claim again). I find it OK.

    Most of the black that comes out with whatever cleaning product is loose carbon muck and is not the nasty harder to eliminate ring.

    I still like good old Hoppes #9 for storage. There are better products out there for storage though.

    I like Brakleen using it mostly in my CFs for flushing between different types of solvents. I buy a carton at a time which lasts me ages, not just for rifle cleaning.

    Over the years I have tried all the various carbon "solvents" plus a few other like Mercury Outboard Top Engine cleaner, Subaru Top Engine cleaner. I have yet to try CLR. I am hesitant about putting an acid in my bores.

    I did find Slip 1000 quite an effective cleaner.
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    i find if you get the barrel wet with hopes like wet and leave it or an hour hopes will loosen most things
    bore tech rimfire is awesome but its bloody expensive as all bore tech products are good but pricy

    if its really stubborn a few passes with a wet nylon brush be very careful!!!

    have herd of people using warm soapy water and a nylon brush apparently that works well never tried it although i use exactly that on my black powder rifles which at the end of the day is just carbon so don't see why it wouldn't work on a 22 as long as you make dam well sure you get the water out

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    You're right about the Rimfire Blend being expensive. I made the mistake of buying it from a H & F shop. I plain needed it at the time. First and last time I shopped in H & F.

    But I guess expensive is relative. If you've spent a small fortune on a rifle why not care for your investment with a maybe expensive bottle of something that's effective and will last ages.

    Loose carbon/burnt powder is relatively easy to remove. Carbon rings as in CF however is actually a build up of several layers virtually fused to the metal. I have only one rifle that gives me shit with carbon rings and it's a CF not a RF. It is really bad with the WW760 I use. I didn't even understand the existence of carbon rings until one developed in that rifle. It took ages to remove.

 

 

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