Thread: From E-Cat to A-Cat?

Originally Posted by Monsterbishi

We can get behind the idea all we want, but the new act has already been passed and submitted for assent, come the start of November, even if the police do absolutely nothing there will be a solid portion of the firearms owning population of New Zealand turned into criminals overnight.

lets hope there r sme clean cut lines between the cats , and a period of time to be one or the other

quote from a large gun part supplier on a 75 round 7.62 x39 mag "note fitting larger than seven rounds to a semi auto centerfire makes it MSSA "but in the next line "you do not need a licence to purchase any magazine in new zealand "

[QUOTE=30calterry;107189]quote from a large gun part supplier on a 75 round 7.62 x39 mag "note fitting larger than seven rounds to a semi auto centerfire makes it MSSA "but in the next line "you do not need a licence to purchase any magazine in new zealand " so if i didnt hav a licence i could buy a 75 round mag a case a primer some powder and a projectile and some e cat stocks !

shit to tui a fied did it double

30calterrys new gun laws if i was deciding the laws
1. all guns must be keep in a safe to the old e cat standard
2 . any stock can be fitted as long as oal of firearm is over 870mm
3.any mag that was desighed to carry more than 10 shots is e cat
4. you must have a licence to buy any gun related product( skope, mounts, sling etc)
5 tuesdays will now be known as topless tuesday
this will never happen as i would abuse my position of power, max out my expense card and do and say very very very inappropriate things

Originally Posted by Haydendev

hopefully they come to their senses, and just make high cap mags an E requirement, so surely they must realise a pistol grip or adjustable stock, or hell even a flash hider, doesnt make any firearm any more dangerous.
anything with mag over 7rnd centerfire or 15 rimfire is E-cat. and done. end of story.

will never happen tho.

When you write:

'...................anything with mag over 7rnd centerfire or 15 rimfire is E-cat. and done. end of story.."

be cautious and remember to mention the other bits (there are many but to give you my gist, bayonet attachment) before some dimwit says, "Hey my Lee Enfield has a 10 shot centre fire magazine and a bayonet attachment so it must be an E cat!"

Originally Posted by Kiwi Sapper

When you write:

'...................anything with mag over 7rnd centerfire or 15 rimfire is E-cat. and done. end of story.."

be cautious and remember to mention the other bits (there are many but to give you my gist, bayonet attachment) before some dimwit says, "Hey my Lee Enfield has a 10 shot centre fire magazine and a bayonet attachment so it must be an E cat!"

Once again (common sense app engaged) I would suggest the word " Semi Automatic" was left out between the words "Anything" and "with" because we all know what was meant.
Basing things on Magazine size / action type is an easy and simple approach. Forget about the nasty evil mind control bayo lug and or pistol grip thing.

Simple test should be if its semi and you have a big mag in/on or near it and no E cat you are toast

Arguing over semantics of things is point less.

I would argue you are either "Fit and Proper" to hold a firearms licence or you are NOT.


There are not "Degrees" of "fit and properness"

I mean I have A, B and E endorsements, if you think that makes me any more fit and proper than someone with only a Std licence then you are mad.

All it actually means is I had a more thorough background check as part of my application and (most likely) have better security, and it gets inspected every year.

I find it funny that despite all the AR's etc that have been available over the last two years or so, with a pistol grip, and the amount of A cat holders taking the piss out if the E cat system by having a slippery 30 round mag, the sky still hasn't fallen.

Originally Posted by Tussock

When the actual issue is the mental instability of the individual. Everything else is irrelevant. As Mikee said, you are either a fit and proper person or your not. If you are fit and proper for a .22 Rimfire you are fit and proper for a Tommy gun. And enjoying those guns does not make you unstable, as the police seem to think currently.

I think we have a vested interest in keeping guns out of the hands of unstable people.I would happily volunteer for more stringent evaluation of "fit and proper person", as its the only actual relevant part.

+1

unfortunately this path of common sense is a road less travelled. the lawmakers seem to think because of a tragedy involving unstable person and a firearm, the best course of action is to restrict the use of firearms on everybody, rather that identifying the unstable persons, and dealing with the instability.
how they can think that restricting pistol grips, bayonet lugs, flash hiders etc, makes anyone safer is beyond me.
I do completely agree with extra security, an Ecat safe is not that expensive, compared to the money involved in the contents stored in the safe, and considering they would be a highly sort after item to criminals.

Originally Posted by Haydendev

+1

unfortunately this path of common sense is a road less travelled. the lawmakers seem to think because of a tragedy involving unstable person and a firearm, the best course of action is to restrict the use of firearms on everybody, rather that identifying the unstable persons, and dealing with the instability.
how they can think that restricting pistol grips, bayonet lugs, flash hiders etc, makes anyone safer is beyond me.
I do completely agree with extra security, an Ecat safe is not that expensive, compared to the money involved in the contents stored in the safe, and considering they would be a highly sort after item to criminals.

”The philosophy of gun control advocates: Teenagers are roaring through town at 90MPH, where the speed limit is 25. Their solution is to lower the speed limit to 20.”

Good sense here .i thought the whole reason for a a person to be licences and not the firearm was ensure correct checks were done on the person. Mikee and Tussock your on the money

Pretty much every shooter I know thinks the E cat system is a fuck around, easily circumvented, illogical, poorly administered, a token gesture, a total waste of time.

Originally Posted by Beavis

Pretty much every shooter I know thinks the E cat system is a fuck around, easily circumvented, illogical, poorly administered, a token gesture, a total waste of time.

Which brings us back to politics and fear. On the right hand side Pollies tell ppl they'll be safe from (armed) crims as long as they vote for the right wing pollies, who will jail the nasty ppl. On the left, the do gooder pollies want to take the guns away as we might hurt ourselves...fun isnt allowed. I dont know which side to be afraid of more.

Which I suspect means its only a matter of time (incidents) before we see a much tougher regime here IMHO.

I think we need to come to terms with the fact that a large bloc of the public are hysterical when it comes to guns. What they know they learn from the movies and CNN. A good amount of these people hate us and no amount of logic or reasoning is going to change their perceptions. These people are a closed book. What we need to work on is mitigating their POV. I think the best way to do that is to actively recruit new people among our ranks. It's a numbers game, the more the merrier.

I try to reasonably convince people I know that terrible gun control laws are ineffective and silly for various reasons. It usually doesn't work.

It comes down to people's view being "Well I don't think people should be allowed to have that, it's scary" for no logical reason.