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    This is who I would get a rifle from if I won lotto http://www.dorleac-dorleac.com/?lang=en fraction of a cost of an H&H, but not a fraction of the quality.
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    Yes I know them. I might too. But I would think hard about Westley Richards too...
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    Quote Originally Posted by MSL View Post
    Howís your custom fitted baikal going?
    Itís mean!!

    Itís a perfect match for my custom toz complete with rev rog suppressor.

    I feel like a high roller when Iím using them. Expensive, but Iím worth it.....
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    Most of H&H sales go to the states....you hear it in the video where he says "28 gauge U/O perfect for walk up quail"!

    For those of you that feel that these guns are out of reach....there is a very good second hand market i.e. Holts auctioneers. If you got together with a friend and brought a pair you would get your money's worth as together they are cheaper than buying a single. ps you would want number 1 as number 2 is generally shot more. Even better buy triple again cheaper across the board.
    If I was to do this I'd buy Boss our Greener but that's just for my taste
    There's a pair of H&H 12 royals lot1308 up for sale on the 14th estimated £6000 to £8000 good value right there
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    Oh but have a look at lot1119 Holt's Auctioneers
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carlsen Highway View Post
    But really the answer is no, it doesn't mean that you have pretensions of being upper class just because you want a Holland and Holland, just an appreciation for quality, a love of old school rifles and historical tradition.
    Unless you do, of course.
    Haha, nae chance, what wi' ma hint a' Glasweg'un 'n' Geordy. Traditions perhaps. My great grandfather died on the Somme, perhaps dropping an Enfield like one of mine. His son drowned in the Atlantic in the next war, courtesy of the Thor. Not really glorious, more futile, but family history all the same. My Enfields, having them or not, changes nothing about where I come from, but they are a link back to real people -- none of whom were Commissioned Officers, or H&H owners with old money.

    Btw given your eloquent well reasoned answer above, who's 'middle class'?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sideshow View Post
    Oh but have a look at lot1119 Holt's Auctioneers
    Beautiful, and unusual. Like something steampunk that might have belonged to the captain's gun rack on somewhere severely industrial, like der Bismarck.

    But the retards forgot the binocular scope!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cordite View Post
    Haha, nae chance, what wi' ma hint a' Glasweg'un 'n' Geordy. Traditions perhaps. My great grandfather died on the Somme, perhaps dropping an Enfield like one of mine. His son drowned in the Atlantic in the next war, courtesy of the Thor. Not really glorious, more futile, but family history all the same. My Enfields, having them or not, changes nothing about where I come from, but they are a link back to real people -- none of whom were Commissioned Officers, or H&H owners with old money.

    Btw given your eloquent well reasoned answer above, who's 'middle class'?

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    I didn't mean you specifically! I meant that one doesnt have pretensions of class because one owns a shotgun - unless one does have pretensions of class. It depends on the owner. Some people buy Porsches because they like the cars, others because they think their neighbours will be impressed.

    Put it this way; just because you own a .303 doesn't mean your not a snob.

    I have a commission from the Queen, and was an officer at one stage, but you need more than that to be upper class!

    The English class system your refering to doesnt really exist anymore. WW2 caused its death, and the Sixties finished it off. There are still vestiges of remaining, but you can no longer get hired because your carrying the right kind of umbrella...
    Us NZ'rs didn't bring the class system with us, so its a foreign notion to Kiwis anyway. If your proud of being working class in NZ, it means you don't really know what working class means, for example.
    Who's middle class? Basically everyone in NZ could be considered middle class, but the term becomes muddy and referenceless since society has changed so much since the 1930's. And we don't really understand the subtleties of it in this country to be honest.

    (And it's a Lee Enfield. An Enfield is a muzzleloading rifle from the 19th Century.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cordite View Post
    Beautiful, and unusual. Like something steampunk that might have belonged to the captain's gun rack on somewhere severely industrial, like der Bismarck.

    But the retards forgot the binocular scope!
    Binocular scope wow now that would be good unless its charging at you then there's two of the fuckers
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carlsen Highway View Post
    I didn't mean you specifically! I meant that one doesnt have pretensions of class because one owns a shotgun - unless one does have pretensions of class. It depends on the owner. Some people buy Porsches because they like the cars, others because they think their neighbours will be impressed.

    Put it this way; just because you own a .303 doesn't mean your not a snob.

    I have a commission from the Queen, and was an officer at one stage, but you need more than that to be upper class!

    The English class system your refering to doesnt really exist anymore. WW2 caused its death, and the Sixties finished it off. There are still vestiges of remaining, but you can no longer get hired because your carrying the right kind of umbrella...
    Us NZ'rs didn't bring the class system with us, so its a foreign notion to Kiwis anyway. If your proud of being working class in NZ, it means you don't really know what working class means, for example.
    Who's middle class? Basically everyone in NZ could be considered middle class, but the term becomes muddy and referenceless since society has changed so much since the 1930's. And we don't really understand the subtleties of it in this country to be honest.

    (And it's a Lee Enfield. An Enfield is a muzzleloading rifle from the 19th Century.)
    What if its a P14 or a Model 1917?

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    Well they were called P14's. Never heard any of them called just "Enfields" until Youtube came along. And then it was always by Yanks calling them ""Enfields"" when referring to Lee Enfields for some reason. Which is ironic because Lee was an American.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carlsen Highway View Post
    I have a commission from the Queen, and was an officer at one stage, but you need more than that to be upper class!
    The English class system your refering to doesnt really exist anymore. WW2 caused its death, and the Sixties finished it off. There are still vestiges of remaining, but you can no longer get hired because your carrying the right kind of umbrella...
    Us NZ'rs didn't bring the class system with us, so its a foreign notion to Kiwis anyway. If your proud of being working class in NZ, it means you don't really know what working class means, for example.
    Who's middle class? Basically everyone in NZ could be considered middle class, but the term becomes muddy and referenceless since society has changed so much since the 1930's. And we don't really understand the subtleties of it in this country to be honest.
    @Carlsen Highway,

    Except you clearly understand it sufficiently well to call out 'middle class' at someone whose opinion (right or wrong, about what is a sad waste of money) offended you - but who you otherwise don't know from Tom, Dick or Harry.

    "Us NZ'rs didn't bring the class system with us, so its a foreign notion to Kiwis anyway."

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    Oh I see - you're offended. You just want to fight. On the internet. Oh all right. By saying middle class I was mocking your self association with the working classes of England prior to WW1 - from the far reaches of New Zealand in the 21st century, a country that doesnt even have them. You are a reverse snob. I was calling you a poser in a diplomatic way.

    I enjoyed your post about your so called working class origins in the form of your dead relatives on the battlefield who carried ''enfield's' or something and how they weren't officers. (Guess what, they all carried Lee Enfields, it was the army. Including, guess what, the Lee Enfields that were regulated by Holland and Holland. They made them into sniper rifles - why? Because they knew quality and how to make rifles shoot well.)

    I am not so shallow as to believe owning a particular brand of gun makes anyone into anything specific, but I can see how someone like you would get all wrung up like a twisted towel in a washing machine. I wish you well with your cheap gun. I honestly do. I have cheap guns as well and enjoy them immensely.
    Please tell me more about your working class family origins in as much detail as possible. While you compose that I am going to go and look at my Commission from the Queen of England for a while.

    I observe that you have misunderstood the meaning of xenophobia. I will let you take that move back.
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    Hug it out guys...

    *Ducks*
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    I liked the first page it had a nice video with some fine tradesmen making some lovely works of art.....what happened and how did we end up here page three sucks nowadays
    Used to find much more fun on page three back when I was a boy

    Take it elsewhere guys.
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