Thread: Gun Porn, show off your new toys

Originally Posted by mikee

Its not just here either, if you watch "Hunting Aotearoa " their gun safety dude / slot is always taking about looking after your "weapon" or "weapon system"

Its a bloody rifle, A tank is a weapon system FFS

He is a grunt. It is how he trains and talks to soldiers. Hard habit to break when every firearm you handle in your job is classed as such

Known the bloke for 30 yrs. He probably doesn't realise he is doing it.
Any recreational firearm can instantly be classed as a weapon if used as one.

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Originally Posted by Tahr

I agree with Alonzo (and now Greg and Brads). There seems to be some sort of morbid curiosity about killing people here, and how to do it effectively. Its not new. It makes me sick.

Why do I read it? Because without reading it, I can't fight it, and it gives me an insight into just how Americanised we are becoming. Its bullshit.

*yawn*

Stop being so sensitive. You do realise that firearms, as a concept, were designed to kill people?

Originally Posted by Ryan

*yawn*

Stop being so sensitive. You do realise that firearms, as a concept, were designed to kill people?

YAWN...

If you want to talk about shooting people you are probably on the wrong forum Mate....

As a community the shooting community is finding itself being put more & more in the undesirable basket as far as society is concerned,

If we would like our grandkids or great grand kids to be able to use firearms for recreation whether its sporting or hunting we need to be more sensible about what we post & how we describe our firearms, like it or lump it firearm is a much less emotive term than weapon......

We really don't want to end up where our English or Aussie mate are....

BTW this forum doesn't have "Moderators" as other forums do.

@buzzman is that a long action 75?

Originally Posted by GWH

@buzzman is that a long action 75?

na it a wsm cheers

Originally Posted by buzzman

na it a wsm cheers

What's the max mag length out of interest?

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Originally Posted by GWH

What's the max mag length out of interest?

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75mm I think is mag length my bullets are 74.35mm

A rifle fits the English definition of a 'weapon', just because you don't like it doesn't make it wrong.

I really couldn't care less what people call them, I have a safe full of weapons, I kill and destroy all sorts with them.

Technically, pistols are governed under the same rule. So technically pistol clubs break the law, but police don't recognise it. Why it is any different for MSSA's who knows. I was told it is because pistols can only be shot at an approved range, so police can keep a closer eye on you.

Originally Posted by Beavis

Technically, pistols are governed under the same rule. So technically pistol clubs break the law, but police don't recognise it. Why it is any different for MSSA's who knows. I was told it is because pistols can only be shot at an approved range, so police can keep a closer eye on you.

My understanding is you can legally use a pistol supervised at an approved range without a licence, you cannot do the same with an E-Cat (MSSA)

Originally Posted by Kiwi Greg

My understanding is you can legally use a pistol supervised at an approved range without a licence, you cannot do the same with an E-Cat (MSSA)

To even touch a MSSA one needs to be a P2P.

Arms Act 1983 No 44 (as at 01 January 2016), Public Act Contents – New Zealand Legislation

44 Selling or supplying pistol, military style semi-automatic firearm, or restricted weapon to person who does not hold permit to import or to procure
(1)Every person commits an offence and is liable on conviction to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 3 years or to a fine not exceeding $4,000 or to both who sells or supplies a pistol, military style semi-automatic firearm, or restricted weapon to any person other than a person who is authorised—
(a)by a permit issued for the purposes of section 16(1) to bring or cause to be brought or sent into New Zealand that pistol, military style semi-automatic firearm, or restricted weapon; or
(b)by a permit issued under section 35 to procure that pistol, military style semi-automatic firearm, or restricted weapon.

Originally Posted by Kiwi Greg

My understanding is you can legally use a pistol supervised at an approved range without a licence, you cannot do the same with an E-Cat (MSSA)

Legally pistols fall under the same usage and possession rules as an MSSA, if you read the section of the act quoted by Ryan.

Originally Posted by Beavis

Legally pistols fall under the same usage and possession rules as an MSSA, if you read the section of the act quoted by Ryan.

Or the whole section quoted by Ryan.

Arms Act 1983 No 44 (as at 01 January 2016), Public Act 44 Selling or supplying pistol, military style semi-automatic firearm, or restricted weapon to person who does not hold permit to import or to procure – New Zealand Legislation

44 Selling or supplying pistol, military style semi-automatic firearm, or restricted weapon to person who does not hold permit to import or to procure



(1)

Every person commits an offence and is liable on conviction to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 3 years or to a fine not exceeding $4,000 or to both who sells or supplies a pistol, military style semi-automatic firearm, or restricted weapon to any person other than a person who is authorised—

(a)
by a permit issued for the purposes of section 16(1) to bring or cause to be brought or sent into New Zealand that pistol, military style semi-automatic firearm, or restricted weapon; or


(b)
by a permit issued under section 35 to procure that pistol, military style semi-automatic firearm, or restricted weapon.



(2)

In any prosecution for an offence against subsection (1) in which it is proved that the defendant sold or supplied a pistol or a military style semi-automatic firearm or a restricted weapon to any person, the burden of proving that that person was the holder of—

(a)
a permit which was issued for the purposes of section 16(1) and which authorised that person to bring or cause to be brought or sent into New Zealand that pistol, military style semi-automatic firearm, or restricted weapon; or


(b)
a permit which was issued under section 35 and which authorised that person to procure that pistol, military style semi-automatic firearm, or restricted weapon,—


shall lie on the defendant.


(3)

It is a good defence to a prosecution for an offence against subsection (1) if the defendant proves, in the case of a prosecution relating to the supply of a pistol to any person,—

(a)
that the pistol was supplied to that person for use both—

(i)
on the range of an incorporated pistol shooting club for the time being recognised by the Commissioner for the purposes of section 29; and


(ii)
under the immediate supervision of the holder of a firearms licence bearing an endorsement permitting that person to have possession of that pistol or a pistol of that kind; and


(b)
that at all times while that person was in possession of the pistol he was both on such a range and under the immediate supervision of the holder of such a firearms licence.



(4)

A defendant may, in the case of a prosecution relating to the sale or supply of a pistol, military style semi-automatic firearm, or restricted weapon to any person, discharge the burden of proof placed on him by subsection (2) by proving that he took reasonable steps to ascertain whether that person was the holder of a permit of the kind described in paragraph (a) or paragraph (b) of subsection (1).


Of course I might be wrong

Originally Posted by Kiwi Greg

Or the whole section quoted by Ryan.

Arms Act 1983 No 44 (as at 01 January 2016), Public Act 44 Selling or supplying pistol, military style semi-automatic firearm, or restricted weapon to person who does not hold permit to import or to procure – New Zealand Legislation

44 Selling or supplying pistol, military style semi-automatic firearm, or restricted weapon to person who does not hold permit to import or to procure



(1)

Every person commits an offence and is liable on conviction to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 3 years or to a fine not exceeding $4,000 or to both who sells or supplies a pistol, military style semi-automatic firearm, or restricted weapon to any person other than a person who is authorised—

(a)
by a permit issued for the purposes of section 16(1) to bring or cause to be brought or sent into New Zealand that pistol, military style semi-automatic firearm, or restricted weapon; or


(b)
by a permit issued under section 35 to procure that pistol, military style semi-automatic firearm, or restricted weapon.



(2)

In any prosecution for an offence against subsection (1) in which it is proved that the defendant sold or supplied a pistol or a military style semi-automatic firearm or a restricted weapon to any person, the burden of proving that that person was the holder of—

(a)
a permit which was issued for the purposes of section 16(1) and which authorised that person to bring or cause to be brought or sent into New Zealand that pistol, military style semi-automatic firearm, or restricted weapon; or


(b)
a permit which was issued under section 35 and which authorised that person to procure that pistol, military style semi-automatic firearm, or restricted weapon,—


shall lie on the defendant.


(3)

It is a good defence to a prosecution for an offence against subsection (1) if the defendant proves, in the case of a prosecution relating to the supply of a pistol to any person,—

(a)
that the pistol was supplied to that person for use both—

(i)
on the range of an incorporated pistol shooting club for the time being recognised by the Commissioner for the purposes of section 29; and


(ii)
under the immediate supervision of the holder of a firearms licence bearing an endorsement permitting that person to have possession of that pistol or a pistol of that kind; and


(b)
that at all times while that person was in possession of the pistol he was both on such a range and under the immediate supervision of the holder of such a firearms licence.



(4)

A defendant may, in the case of a prosecution relating to the sale or supply of a pistol, military style semi-automatic firearm, or restricted weapon to any person, discharge the burden of proof placed on him by subsection (2) by proving that he took reasonable steps to ascertain whether that person was the holder of a permit of the kind described in paragraph (a) or paragraph (b) of subsection (1).


Of course I might be wrong

Nope its even in the MOU between PistolNZ and Police
Letter of Agreement between the New Zealand Pistol Association and the New Zealand Police

Originally Posted by Kiwi Greg

My understanding is you can legally use a pistol supervised at an approved range without a licence, you cannot do the same with an E-Cat (MSSA)

This is correct....and have done so at CHCH pistol range.