Gunkote vs Cerakote?

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12-12-2014, 11:24 AM
Spudattack

Gunkote vs Cerakote?

Hey guys

Thinking about having my brno refinished, just for hardiness in the bush and to make it look brand spanking again, was going to reblue but then got thinking about coating it.

I see the two options are gunkote and cerakote, gunkote seems to be the cheaper option and is done by red dot firearms in Auckland and cerakote is by greystone in Chch(may be others), but which is better?

I have tried a search but not come up with many answers!

Basically does anyone know of the pros and cons of each and which would you recommend for a general purpose hunting rifle?

Cheers
12-12-2014, 11:33 AM
northdude

not quite the answer here but I had a zastava cz99 im not sure if it was blued or had some kind of coating on it but it was a beautiful finish on it
12-12-2014, 12:58 PM
Macks guns

Hello, I have a good idea of the difference, Cerakote in all the testing performs significantly better than gun coat. From memory gun coat fails abrasion testing in under 500 cycles, Cerakote fails at just under 6000 cycles. I researched all this prior to setting up my workshop for coating firearms from taupo
13-12-2014, 04:34 PM
Macks guns

Quote:

Originally Posted by Macks guns

Hello, I have a good idea of the difference, Cerakote in all the testing performs significantly better than gun coat. From memory gun coat fails abrasion testing in under 500 cycles, Cerakote fails at just under 6000 cycles. I researched all this prior to setting up my workshop for coating firearms from taupo

Abrasion Comaprison Testing - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksj-XJzVQik

Corrosion Comparison Testing - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlUwOR4Tq10
13-12-2014, 05:29 PM
Nick-D

Quote:

Originally Posted by Macks guns

Hello, I have a good idea of the difference, Cerakote in all the testing performs significantly better than gun coat. From memory gun coat fails abrasion testing in under 500 cycles, Cerakote fails at just under 6000 cycles. I researched all this prior to setting up my workshop for coating firearms from taupo

DO you ceracote commercially? or just your own stuff?
13-12-2014, 08:21 PM
Macks guns

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nick-D

DO you ceracote commercially? or just your own stuff?

Hi, yes commercially
13-12-2014, 11:44 PM
Spudattack

Cool, cheers for that MG, so cerakote seems to definately be worth the extra cash.

Anyone had a rifle coated and put through some hard use?
14-12-2014, 01:31 AM
res

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spudattack

Anyone had a rifle coated and put through some hard use?

I have ha firearms with both coatings but have not put them to such hard field use to tell the best from that.
I have had a non firearm item coated with ceracote and it has been thrashed very hard. The coating has outlasted three previous sorts of coatings used, including home application duracote(not as good as pro baked I'm told).

I'm glad there are now places in nz to get ceracote done, I'll be getting some prices myself shortly.
14-12-2014, 10:35 AM
shift14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spudattack

Hey guys

Thinking about having my brno refinished, just for hardiness in the bush and to make it look brand spanking again, was going to reblue but then got thinking about coating it.

I see the two options are gunkote and cerakote, gunkote seems to be the cheaper option and is done by red dot firearms in Auckland and cerakote is by greystone in Chch(may be others), but which is better?

I have tried a search but not come up with many answers!

Basically does anyone know of the pros and cons of each and which would you recommend for a general purpose hunting rifle?

Cheers

PM sent.
14-12-2014, 10:40 AM
shift14

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Originally Posted by Mauser308

I had one done in the Milspec coating a while back, that was interesting in that it stayed soft and rubbed off. Not what you're really asking I guess but that would probably have gone a few more than 500 abrasion cycles but now looks decidedly second-hand. Having said that, it has stopped any corrosion issues with that firearm...

We've had all our wood / blue Sakos mil-spec'd. We're very happy with it. The guy that did it is a perfectionist, they come up looking bloody sharp, and we have no corrosion issues on wet multi day trips.

B
14-12-2014, 12:19 PM
mucko

Quote:

Originally Posted by Macks guns

Hello, I have a good idea of the difference, Cerakote in all the testing performs significantly better than gun coat. From memory gun coat fails abrasion testing in under 500 cycles, Cerakote fails at just under 6000 cycles. I researched all this prior to setting up my workshop for coating firearms from taupo

will be looking at doing my 8mm in ceracote, will pm you when i am ready.
14-12-2014, 03:55 PM
Spudattack

Cheers guys for all the replies, just sent it off to be cerakoted, will post some pics of the results when its back in a few weeks!
15-12-2014, 12:15 AM
Macks guns

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Originally Posted by mucko

will be looking at doing my 8mm in ceracote, will pm you when i am ready.

No problem, let me know when your ready to coat it. Would be great to get some forum members to post some reports of my Cerakote work.
Cheers
Andy
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18-12-2014, 04:20 PM
ChrisF

Cerocoat is usually rated as the best , over duracoat & others , BUT you need to realise their are 2 types of Cerocoat , one thats heated/baked on , and one that air drys , the air dry is for scopes & stocks etc , the baked one for steel , its the baked cerocoat that has the highest rating in reguards to toughness etc .
19-12-2014, 02:09 PM
Gibo

Whats a rifle cost roughly? Action and barrel.
19-12-2014, 02:29 PM
Spudattack

I was quoted $400 for all the metalwork (barrel, action, bottom metal, action screws) on my brno in colour matching the original phosphate finish.
Think it is a similar price to rebluing but much tougher and resistant to rust.
19-12-2014, 03:15 PM
Looseunit

Deadeyes is $300.00 for metalwork Ceracoat
22-12-2014, 11:27 AM
Looseunit

3 Attachment(s)

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Ceracoat Coyote Tan , Duracoat Stock
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28-12-2014, 09:45 PM
Macks guns

Yeah, unfortunately deadeyes has not used cerakote for a long time, they use Durakote according to Cerakote after i contacted them regarding reports of their coating pealing off. They are not factory certified to apply cerakote.
28-12-2014, 09:53 PM
Macks guns

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28-12-2014, 10:56 PM
Macks guns

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisF

Cerocoat is usually rated as the best , over duracoat & others , BUT you need to realise their are 2 types of Cerocoat , one thats heated/baked on , and one that air drys , the air dry is for scopes & stocks etc , the baked one for steel , its the baked cerocoat that has the highest rating in reguards to toughness etc .

I have chosen to only use oven cure, mostly as it is expensive to buy but if I had to buy twice as much it would cripple me. .....only thing is the air cure series handles higher temperatures, so is better for military machine guns etc. Still the oven cure is rated to 650 deg C
28-12-2014, 11:26 PM
res

If you were to coat a AR barrel would the gas block fit over the coating?
29-12-2014, 06:23 PM
Macks guns

Absolutely. It is tight but one of Cerakote main advantages is how thin it is. I normally coat the barrel and inside the gas block and they fit back together. The microslick version is so thin it is transparent on the first spray.
30-12-2014, 07:46 AM
Looseunit

Quote:

Originally Posted by Macks guns

Yeah, unfortunately deadeyes has not used cerakote for a long time, they use Durakote according to Cerakote after i contacted them regarding reports of their coating pealing off. They are not factory certified to apply cerakote.

Deadeyes does do baked on Ceracoat . JC didn't work for Deadeyes when he did Ceracoat and was factory trained and his business had nothing to do with Deadeyes.
16-01-2015, 02:20 PM
Looseunit

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16-01-2015, 02:33 PM
Spudattack

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Here is mine just back from being coated.

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24-01-2015, 09:32 PM
Macks guns

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Originally Posted by Spudattack

Here is mine just back from being coated.

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Hope you are happy, midnight blue is an awesome colour.
Cheers
Mack
25-01-2015, 05:22 PM
Spudattack

Quote:

Originally Posted by Macks guns

Hope you are happy, midnight blue is an awesome colour.
Cheers
Mack

Yeah, cheers, came out awesome!
15-03-2015, 11:21 AM
Grue

Just back from Reddot Rifles... baked on GunKote. Fast turn around, nice guy to deal with, rang when arrived to double check what I wanted done, rang when she'd left via courier.... can't ask for much more than that.

For $125 for the barrel, the action and the suppressor, pretty damn happy!

After getting the beaten up old stock looking nice again, thought she deserved a fresh finish.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37...psa7pxkza9.jpg
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08-09-2018, 11:05 PM
7mmThumper

Hey @Grue how has the coating held up over time and use.
10-09-2018, 03:53 PM
Chop3r

Almost looks like a rust blue job on the steel
11-09-2018, 03:38 PM
Grue

Suppressor scratched up and looking pretty rough... dunno if it is because alu or what, but the barrel and action are still looking mint. I'll take some more pics. Can't fault it on the steel.
14-09-2018, 11:58 AM
Grue

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Steel still perfect. Aluminium Suppressor looking rough from gun safe (gets taken out and put away every day). The odd nick out of the Alu reciever.

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So yeah, i'd recommend on steel for sure.

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