Thread: Leaving magazines loaded (legal issues?)

Just use empty brass or dummy rounds or just shoot more to run the mags in

Perhaps the firearm/vehicle transportation concerns we all have should be voiced for the upcoming police/FCAF meetings in June. Having a decent lockbox in a vehicle is a sustainable and viable option incase one has to leave a vehicle unattended for a short period a.k.a going to the toilet.

If it's good enough for the cops to leave their firearms unattended in vehicles out on jobs then I don't see a problem ducking into a servo for a pie, coffee & a piss on a trip as long as it's not visible & you lock the truck up.

Originally Posted by outdoorlad

If it's good enough for the cops to leave their firearms unattended in vehicles out on jobs then I don't see a problem ducking into a servo for a pie, coffee & a piss on a trip as long as it's not visible & you lock the truck up.

That sort of thing has never been a problem.

It is when dickheads leave guns in cars all night parked outside the pub after going shooting that problems start.

Or a machine gun is left overnight in a car outside a motel while in town for a gun show. That idiot didn't even know it was gone until the back rang him about his credit cards being used.

Or are lazy cunts and simply leave guns in the boot permanently.

Originally Posted by systolic

That sort of thing has never been a problem.

It is when dickheads leave guns in cars all night parked outside the pub after going shooting that problems start.

Or a machine gun is left overnight in a car outside a motel while in town for a gun show. That idiot didn't even know it was gone until the back rang him about his credit cards being used.

Or are lazy cunts and simply leave guns in the boot permanently.

Or people leaving pistols in public toilets.....

Originally Posted by outdoorlad

If it's good enough for the cops to leave their firearms unattended in vehicles out on jobs then I don't see a problem ducking into a servo for a pie, coffee & a piss on a trip as long as it's not visible & you lock the truck up.

Police and NZDF aren’t bound by the Arms Act, so can leave firearms unattended.

Originally Posted by stretch

Police and NZDF aren’t bound by the Arms Act, so can leave firearms unattended.

Yes but doesn't mean it's a good idea and they have misplaced a few over the years too, does the cop who left his glock in the beehive shitter count

You have to be sensible about the whole thing, @40mm are you honestly saying you have taken your rifle with you into a toilet, public or otherwise? Cos down here in the South no one does.

Originally Posted by outdoorlad

Yes but doesn't mean it's a good idea and they have misplaced a few over the years too, does the cop who left his glock in the beehive shitter count

You have to be sensible about the whole thing, @40mm are you honestly saying you have taken your rifle with you into a toilet, public or otherwise? Cos down here in the South no one does.

Not a toilet, but a supermarket. In the bag of course. Its not my fault or problem if some ignorant peasant is startled. I avoid doing so like the plague but I'm not going to put myself out just to appease someone's invalid paranoia.
If I really need to take my rifle with me then I will.
The police should at least try and educate the general public about the law they attempt to uphold. Maybe mention that a firearm in a bag is obviously in a bag because it is not about to be used!
If people are not smart enough to figure that one out, then I sincerely hope they refrain from breeding.

I wonder how much good for the firearms community would result from an educational marketing program?
maybe a little information on law and storage, (un attended in vehicle etc)

Might get some people into the sport too that were otherwise ignorant to the many different types of shooting sports.....
I cant see any negative outcomes, but I am very bias.

Any volunteers to finance such a thing?

Originally Posted by 40mm

I wonder how much good for the firearms community would result from an educational marketing program?
maybe a little information on law and storage, (un attended in vehicle etc)

Might get some people into the sport too that were otherwise ignorant to the many different types of shooting sports.....
I cant see any negative outcomes, but I am very bias.

Any volunteers to finance such a thing?

If one were to set up an organisation that had a "charitable purpose", gained Registered Charitable Entity status from the Charities Commission AND became an IRD-approved donee organisation, then you could begin to get donations from businesses in the firearms industry and begin an education program to make the public aware of the above issues.

Getting recognised as a charity would be the hard part, and such an organisation would likely have to remain apolitical and walk a fine line to maintain it's charitable status.

https://www.charities.govt.nz/apply-...table-purpose/

Originally Posted by outdoorlad

Yes but doesn't mean it's a good idea and they have misplaced a few over the years too, does the cop who left his glock in the beehive shitter count

You have to be sensible about the whole thing, @40mm are you honestly saying you have taken your rifle with you into a toilet, public or otherwise? Cos down here in the South no one does.

Probably not because he doesn't need an FAL to carry a firearm!

Originally Posted by Fireflite

Probably not because he doesn't need an FAL to carry a firearm!

Definitely doesn't count. Didn't even get to 1 with the number of Glocks he had to remember to take with him.

If the car is locked and alarmed and you would hear the alarm from the toilet then you can argue that its not unattended anyway.

im going to start a religion and my rifle is going to be like my burka..... my religiously important accessory that cannot be removed from my hand for fear of offending me.

It sure does not expect me to take my guns with me when I go for a crap.


But it also says I cannot leave them un attended.

would you @systolic leave your guns in the car if you went for a crap?