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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil_H View Post
    For the house muttons I recommend a .45 ACP insert for the shotgun such as the one @akaroa1 made up for me.

    I walk out to my sheep now with confidence knowing that it isn't going to be a cockup. 230gr at near 800 fps and they just drop.


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    Phil mate, you need .45acp for your South Island sheep? Up here i get away with 22lr. Do you need .50bmg for your beefies?
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    Low power scope or red dot

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    Iíve just got a 16.5 inch barrel bergara ba13 in 308 with dpt over barrel suppressor. Has anyone managed to have open sights fitted to one of these to shoot over suppressor?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ben Waimata View Post
    Phil mate, you need .45acp for your South Island sheep? Up here i get away with 22lr. Do you need .50bmg for your beefies?
    Had a bad experience with one of Sharon's favourite pet sheep. She moved her head just at the crucial time and ended up chasing a sheep around the paddock with a slug in her head. Not a good look.
    I have the .45 insert and surplus rounds, so I think why not.....certainly does the job.

    For beefies? Nah, we find the .50bmg a little excessive.

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    We can usually manage with .50-140

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dicko View Post
    For me, a Low power scope. Open sights are a struggle in poor light and shadows.
    Yeah same, I really struggle with iron sights in low light. Might have been easier 10 years ago...but now adding lights allover the house just to be able to see stuff. A low power, low mounted scope would be just the ticket.
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    I have shot half of my deer with open sights and the other with a scope, mostly a 4x scope. I would put a scope on that BLR rifle for bush shooting. When you in the bush a scope will flatten everything out, and you can sort of peer though the leaves and see much more clearly, picking out ears and heads through the tangles.
    With iron sights its harder, even though the distances are much shorter.

    People don't seem to realise that bush shooting with open sights is harder than in the open country at longer diatance. At longer distances in open country shooting deer with open sights or an aperture is not particularly difficult. Shots out to 200 - 300 yards are not particularly difficult.= because you can usually see the target clearly.

    You can do either scope or sights, but you have to weigh up whether the easy handling and lighter rifle is worth more than the ease of viewing of a scope on 3 -4 power in the thicker bush.
    So it depends. Sometimes you definitely want the lighter rifle. Scopes are a hindrance.
    If yo uhave young eyes I Would stick with a V sight and a silver or white front sight bead. Aperture sights are not particurly more accurate except for target shooting at long ranges.
    My eyes are getting bad at closer distances now, and so I cant use the open sights on shorter barreled rifles anymore. I can still shoot a .303 alright though.
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    Iím trying to get hi viz open sights fitted to my bergara so Iím not constantly trying to keep a scope clear in wet scrub or shitty weather. I enjoy using them and the simplicity.

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    I recently upgraded my lever from a 1-4x20 to a 1.5-6x42 both #4's. Must say that the newer scope really lets me look into the shadows under trees and bush edges in low light. Decided to upgrade as I found myself taking a lot more shots in the 200-250mtr range than expected.

    My last deer at end of November was at about 5:30am in a deep shaded river valley against a dark rock background. No problem at 100 mtr except I left the scope on 1.5 power which turned out to be just as well as she ran straight at me so coped a second round at 30mtr.

    I say go low power scope to help the eyes out. (with heavy duplex or German #4 retical as crisp black as you can find)
    I can't shoot open sights on my little 22rf without flicking up the rear peep sight.(it has a peep, rear notch and front blade).
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    I tried a 3x9x42 on my blr and it just seemed physically too big. Much prefer the smaller 20 to 32 objective size. I accept that these do not gather as much light but the generally lower magnification tends to balance this out. I like the #4 as well.
    Problem is there is a lot less choice in the smaller more compact scopes than there used to be. Everyone seems to want to bolt a telescope to their long range rig. I still like to fit a scope to the rifle, not a rifle to the scope.
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    I have an older BLR which is going to run a Leupy m8 fixed 3 ( Phillips Holdens go to) keeping it low profile and light weight.
    On my 336 I have a pig plex 1-5 and rate them. ZQlewis suggestion is a good one - best of both worlds, number 4 reticle is one of my favs.
    I do have a 94 with aperture and rate them highly over the buck horns for my older eyes. the viz glow foresight will be the next add I reckon.
    James Passmore makes some good points in his book on the effectiveness of aperture sights on levers in shit conditions, whilst keeping the natural balance of the lever rig.
    I think the Bomb here runs that set up from memory with a change over scope, especially for bush hunting in different light and weather conditions.
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    i have the ghost ring sights on the 45/70 but I find they can cover to much of the target for my liking . Then went to a pistol holographic green dot which is great for two eyes open shooting and for improved visibility on target and I find a lot faster to get on target. But as far as visibility of target , low light , or longer distances or precise shooting , a scope , even low power , simply can't be beaten in my opinion
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    I know this rifle model comes out with a fibre optic front bead which could be a game changer from other older open sights. Looking at all of the replies( thank you!) I would say it comes down to the quality of your eyes... If you wear glasses then its another ball game! I am going to deny the money hungry retailers and go with the open sights, learn to use them well and rely on that medal I won 30 years ago for marksmanship, as well as good stalking /hunting technique to get as close as possible. ( advice from a retired culler) That way the retrieve is also doing to be easier. If that doesn't work for me I am going to buy a cheap Chinese low powered red dot and scope, and beat them to hell for as long as they last, but that will tell me which option is the next best. Then, if I'm still able, I will get the good stuff and be done. Of course, good load and projectile selection can also help!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Soutpiel View Post
    I know this rifle model comes out with a fibre optic front bead which could be a game changer from other older open sights. Looking at all of the replies( thank you!) I would say it comes down to the quality of your eyes... If you wear glasses then its another ball game! I am going to deny the money hungry retailers and go with the open sights, learn to use them well and rely on that medal I won 30 years ago for marksmanship, as well as good stalking /hunting technique to get as close as possible. ( advice from a retired culler) That way the retrieve is also doing to be easier. If that doesn't work for me I am going to buy a cheap Chinese low powered red dot and scope, and beat them to hell for as long as they last, but that will tell me which option is the next best. Then, if I'm still able, I will get the good stuff and be done. Of course, good load and projectile selection can also help!
    Well if you go down the track of a cheap red-dot or even a cheap scope to try the different alternatives.....I have both to loan you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GSP HUNTER View Post
    I have an older BLR which is going to run a Leupy m8 fixed 3 ( Phillips Holdens go to) keeping it low profile and light weight.
    On my 336 I have a pig plex 1-5 and rate them. ZQlewis suggestion is a good one - best of both worlds, number 4 reticle is one of my favs.
    I do have a 94 with aperture and rate them highly over the buck horns for my older eyes. the viz glow foresight will be the next add I reckon.
    James Passmore makes some good points in his book on the effectiveness of aperture sights on levers in shit conditions, whilst keeping the natural balance of the lever rig.
    I think the Bomb here runs that set up from memory with a change over scope, especially for bush hunting in different light and weather conditions.
    a 3x M8....stop it you horrible man.....Im drooling all over keyboard..Graham henry was another who likes simple low power scopes.

 

 

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