Thread: Fake and Counterfeit Gear on TradeMe

Theres also been those minox scopes recently, i cant say 100% that theyre knockoffs but at half the price of retail shops and unusual details on the scopes themselves they do tend to raise suspicion

Originally Posted by keengunNic

Theres also been those minox scopes recently, i cant say 100% that theyre knockoffs but at half the price of retail shops and unusual details on the scopes themselves they do tend to raise suspicion

Are the scopes any good?...heaven forbid, they may be better than the originals.

Originally Posted by DavidGunn

Are the scopes any good?...heaven forbid, they may be better than the originals.

Not sure mate, they may well be legit im not sure. They just look off to me. The email stating they're legitimate is different too

Originally Posted by DavidGunn

Are the scopes any good?...heaven forbid, they may be better than the originals.

Possibly as least as good as. One question is relevant: do Minox get their scopes made in China? Some years ago I heard of a manufacturer of kitchen taps etc setting up a factory in China. Market soon got invaded by a flood of perfect counterfeits. Turns out that, as they set up their Chinese factory a copy of the factory was being set up in a nearby Chinese town. What you risk getting from outsourcing manufacture to a Ferengi who lives by "the rules of acquisition".

I'm not anti Chinese, just anti the corrupt CCP which allow scum to operate with impunity.

Originally Posted by Cordite

Possibly as least as good as. One question is relevant: do Minox get their scopes made in China? Some years ago I heard of a manufacturer of kitchen taps etc setting up a factory in China. Market soon got invaded by a flood of perfect counterfeits. Turns out that, as they set up their Chinese factory a copy of the factory was being set up in a nearby Chinese town. What you risk getting from outsourcing manufacture to a Ferengi who lives by "the rules of acquisition".

I'm not anti Chinese, just anti the corrupt CCP which allow scum to operate with impunity.

some minox are 100% german, some are filipino assembled. havent seen a chinese one so far

Originally Posted by gonetropo

some minox are 100% german, some are filipino assembled. havent seen a chinese one so far

Genuine chineese models are the ZL - stick to ZA's i think they have SHOTT glass

Originally Posted by Cordite

Possibly as least as good as. One question is relevant: do Minox get their scopes made in China? Some years ago I heard of a manufacturer of kitchen taps etc setting up a factory in China. Market soon got invaded by a flood of perfect counterfeits. Turns out that, as they set up their Chinese factory a copy of the factory was being set up in a nearby Chinese town. What you risk getting from outsourcing manufacture to a Ferengi who lives by "the rules of acquisition".

I'm not anti Chinese, just anti the corrupt CCP which allow scum to operate with impunity.

Then there’s those who happily import shoddily made items from China and on sell them with no care about the safety etc of the item.

IE there were shiny custom tilt steering columns imported to NZ from China for use in hot rods - only the universal in the column disintegrated under load, rather inconvenient to say the least...

Originally Posted by Cordite

Possibly as least as good as. One question is relevant: do Minox get their scopes made in China? Some years ago I heard of a manufacturer of kitchen taps etc setting up a factory in China. Market soon got invaded by a flood of perfect counterfeits. Turns out that, as they set up their Chinese factory a copy of the factory was being set up in a nearby Chinese town. What you risk getting from outsourcing manufacture to a Ferengi who lives by "the rules of acquisition".

I'm not anti Chinese, just anti the corrupt CCP which allow scum to operate with impunity.

fairgo did a programme on it a few years back.....they sent someone over to suss out the how it happens....it all started over a orange n white rip off chainsaw...when they were at manufacturing plant they could order ANY label they wanted put on them including....direct copy of other makers....
that whole programme was shockingly eye opening.

Originally Posted by Micky Duck

fairgo did a programme on it a few years back.....they sent someone over to suss out the how it happens....it all started over a orange n white rip off chainsaw...when they were at manufacturing plant they could order ANY label they wanted put on them including....direct copy of other makers....
that whole programme was shockingly eye opening.

Whatever you say about Chinese goods you generally get at least what you pay for. If they just did more of their cheap copies honestly they'd get more of the cudos they deserve for turning stuff out so inexpensively. But too many of them can't see beyond greed and profit, a great shame on and disservice to the rest. The slave is usually not fit to be king, and communists once they displace those hated capitalists predictably turn out worse once the boot is on their own foot.

On the other hand... to be balanced ... there were chinese companies recycling Apple goods - phones, ear buds, ipads, ipods etc - fix broken glass etc. Bitchy Sissy Apple Inc. arranged for customs in US to intercept the recycled goods on return as "counterfeit"... basically because Apple don't approve of anyone fixing their stuff. THAT also surely undermines the average Chinese person's respect for copyright law. And mine, I suppose.

Originally Posted by Cordite

Possibly as least as good as. One question is relevant: do Minox get their scopes made in China? Some years ago I heard of a manufacturer of kitchen taps etc setting up a factory in China. Market soon got invaded by a flood of perfect counterfeits. Turns out that, as they set up their Chinese factory a copy of the factory was being set up in a nearby Chinese town. What you risk getting from outsourcing manufacture to a Ferengi who lives by "the rules of acquisition".

I'm not anti Chinese, just anti the corrupt CCP which allow scum to operate with impunity.

My favourite is the landwind x7 which was a copy of the range rover evoque and they got caught because they launched it at the same car show as the range rover and one of the JLR reps was walking around the show and spotted it . https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/g...t-which-better

Originally Posted by keengunNic

Theres also been those minox scopes recently, i cant say 100% that theyre knockoffs but at half the price of retail shops and unusual details on the scopes themselves they do tend to raise suspicion

There seems to be a big difference in prices between retailers also, makes you wonder thru which channel they have arrived here by. Also warranty seems to differ from the manufacturers, one retailer I queried on this stated "he would personally match the manufacturers warranty" all good when his door closes in a couple of years down the track.

Originally Posted by keengunNic

Theres also been those minox scopes recently, i cant say 100% that theyre knockoffs but at half the price of retail shops and unusual details on the scopes themselves they do tend to raise suspicion

The seller can arrange that too with small cheap items.