Thread: mallard releases

Originally Posted by EeeBees

Now I really am confused...

My take is that F&G are not only fully aware but quite involved with put and take mallard operations while trying to portray ignorance. The latest round of elections and the dishonesty displayed by the national office among others is a testament to the lengths F&G are prepared to go to keep actions and agendas hidden. Even politically based exclusions from other social network forums. Treating most license buyers like mushrooms- keeping them in the dark and feeding us bullshit.

Originally Posted by Tim Allen

My take is that F&G are not only fully aware but quite involved with put and take mallard operations while trying to portray ignorance. The latest round of elections and the dishonesty displayed by the national office among others is a testament to the lengths F&G are prepared to go to keep actions and agendas hidden. Even politically based exclusions from other social network forums. Treating most license buyers like mushrooms- keeping them in the dark and feeding us bullshit.

im inclined to agree tim.
the incongruity of a licencee funded organisation treating its shareholders like mushrooms is also not lost on me.
could it be they expect a far greater tourist based cash injection to out wiegh our meagre contributions
why when preserves in the aw region felt slighted by not bieng able to do what was already happening in other regions,did they mount a pr offensive via media including geoff thomas outdoors show??
but no one?them the most? wants to have a open disscussion on mallaRD releases private or preserve based??
why was eastern region able ,against a nationaly stated policy able to change the preserve rules on duckshooting with nary a cough or splutter at national level .
surely lindsey lyons cant claim ignorance of the policy as he,s national chairman aS WELL AS A EASTERN COUNCILLOR.
AS FOR the 2 day hen pheasant take the less said about that bit of short sighted stupidity the better..
perhaps theyre frightened of a uprising ?licencees seeing duck releases as the straw that broke the proverbial?
more likely theyre hoping thier releases will be seen as philanthropic gestures to the duck hunting public which clearly they arent as evidenced by aw draft report.
without predator control and follow up which f&g says they dont have the dough or the time for, mallard release would be useless so are they backing secretly or otherwise preserve/ private releases even knowing the limitations and possible detriments to the average gunner. ??.
preserves are businesses and will expect a return on those releases and if aw are correct most of those birds will never leave the preserves alive but how many wild birds will mobs of tame fed mallards draw.
as has been pointed out to me tourist operators touting shooting trips need guarenteed targets and hopefuly more than a 3 month window to target them.
hence maybe the move to delist parries along with geese i imagine that would make a hunters anytime shooting trip to nz worth the gamebird side hunt.
preserves already have longer seasons for the some of the gamebirds they provide imagine that extended to mallards they release.

Cock pheasant 2 May to 30 Aug 2015 5 All areas excluding
upland game properties
with special conditions
specified in clause 6 for
this Region
Hen pheasant 2 May to 3 May 2015 1 All areas excluding
upland game properties
with special conditions
specified in clause 6 for
this Region
Pheasant, both sexes 2 May to 30 Aug 2015 No limit Upland game properties
with special conditions
specified in clause 6 for
this Region
Cock pheasant 31 Aug to 20 Sep 2015 No limit Upland game properties
with special conditions
specified in clause 6 for
this Region (junior
hunters only)
Red-legged partridge 2 May to 30 Aug 2015 No limit Upland game properties
with special conditions
specified in clause 6 for
this Region
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Originally Posted by gsp follower

as has been pointed out to me tourist operators touting shooting trips need guarenteed targets and hopefuly more than a 3 month window to target them.
hence maybe the move to delist parries along with geese i imagine that would make a hunters anytime shooting trip to nz worth the gamebird side hunt.
preserves already have longer seasons for the some of the gamebirds they provide imagine that extended to mallards they release.

You're a very perceptive fellow. I doubt there has been any real move to move Parries to schedule 5- Unprotected, or if being a native it would even be possible but it is interesting that Nth Canty F&G are cashing in on permits some of which will be genuine disturbance work some on demand?

Originally Posted by Tim Allen

You're a very perceptive fellow. I doubt there has been any real move to move Parries to schedule 5- Unprotected, or if being a native it would even be possible but it is interesting that Nth Canty F&G are cashing in on permits some of which will be genuine disturbance work some on demand?

yes 90 odd bucks i believe there are farms near the lake who have yearly parrie and or swan problems.
since no one seems inclined to take thier swan limits a few times a season this is no surprise but instead of investigating spurious use of permits they slap a fee on everyone.
the incident that caused this fee was in april a year or 3 back and the most dodgy of crop protection claims imaginable.
but even so the opening of the summer parrie season to the lake as well seems a good move for the usually affected farmers and gunners anyway.
maybe some jigging of the swan season to bring it in line with the new parrie season could be in order to to save those that they know have yearly ongoing swan problems could get both dealt with sans a fee.
i think f&g could have figured out which properties have on going annual summer bird problems and exempted these.
issueing others on a ''look at the situation'' and act accordingly would be better than a taR with the same brush approach to all farmers.
anyway back to the subject.
im firmly convinced mallard releases on preserves and private syndicate land are the thin edge of a tourism inspired and rich sportsman wedge.
they will disadvantage any gunner within a 5 mile radius maybe greater and as auckland waikato has hinted are a selfish localised fix for the releasers.
how many wild duck will be taken instead of thier tame live decoys that have been payed for.
will there be a different charge for wild birds banded or otherwise?? will the paying customers be restricted to banded put and take mallards and told wild birds are off limits ??[not fn likely]no more than private syndicates will only shoot thier released birds.
will the preserves go the whole hog and become licence agents for f&g??im pickin eastern to take up that bit of brilliance first.
are these release,ees bieng banded and who,s monitoring the releases ?.

Originally Posted by gsp follower

im inclined to agree tim.
the incongruity of a licencee funded organisation treating its shareholders like mushrooms is also not lost on me.
could it be they expect a far greater tourist based cash injection to out wiegh our meagre contributions
why when preserves in the aw region felt slighted by not bieng able to do what was already happening in other regions,did they mount a pr offensive via media including geoff thomas outdoors show??
but no one?them the most? wants to have a open disscussion on mallaRD releases private or preserve based??
why was eastern region able ,against a nationaly stated policy able to change the preserve rules on duckshooting with nary a cough or splutter at national level .
surely lindsey lyons cant claim ignorance of the policy as he,s national chairman aS WELL AS A EASTERN COUNCILLOR.
AS FOR the 2 day hen pheasant take the less said about that bit of short sighted stupidity the better..
perhaps theyre frightened of a uprising ?licencees seeing duck releases as the straw that broke the proverbial?
more likely theyre hoping thier releases will be seen as philanthropic gestures to the duck hunting public which clearly they arent as evidenced by aw draft report.
without predator control and follow up which f&g says they dont have the dough or the time for, mallard release would be useless so are they backing secretly or otherwise preserve/ private releases even knowing the limitations and possible detriments to the average gunner. ??.
preserves are businesses and will expect a return on those releases and if aw are correct most of those birds will never leave the preserves alive but how many wild birds will mobs of tame fed mallards draw.
as has been pointed out to me tourist operators touting shooting trips need guarenteed targets and hopefuly more than a 3 month window to target them.
hence maybe the move to delist parries along with geese i imagine that would make a hunters anytime shooting trip to nz worth the gamebird side hunt.
preserves already have longer seasons for the some of the gamebirds they provide imagine that extended to mallards they release.

It may be of interest to hunters that the killing of HEN pheasants in the wild has been removed from the 2016 season's licence & hopefully for every year after that!!!!

Myself & a colleague ( Wildfowler's Assn members) got a petition going in late 2014 which was signed by many pissed off hunters and presented to ERF&G in Oct/Nov last when the 2016 season regs were being set. So sanity has returned!!!! Hopefully this sort of nonsense won't raise its ugly head again!!!!!!

Originally Posted by top gun

It may be of interest to hunters that the killing of HEN pheasants in the wild has been removed from the 2016 season's licence & hopefully for every year after that!!!!

Myself & a colleague ( Wildfowler's Assn members) got a petition going in late 2014 which was signed by many pissed off hunters and presented to ERF&G in Oct/Nov last when the 2016 season regs were being set. So sanity has returned!!!! Hopefully this sort of nonsense won't raise its ugly head again!!!!!!

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excellent work .
what do you think of eastern allowing preserve duck shooting??

im not thier biggest fan admittedly but i think they have given me good reason..
the stupid hen pheasant take and thier interference in hawkes bay to the point of co,opting thier finances and then excluding the public from any discussion of the relationship.
along with certain elements bieng lead by the nose for the tourist dollar in opening preserves to ducks .
in doing so creating a precedent that aw shoot owners and hunting lease buyers long for .which will infect hawkes bay then spread.
.with doctor bryce semingly now not giving a m.onkeys when regions give national council the finger.
.i bet southland has a wry grin given the reaming they got for stepping out of line not so long back
but i guess with lyons as national chairman and the apparent interest in overseas money instead of ours nothing surprises.

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Yesterday at 10:13pm Being born into a very serious trout fishing family I was brought up on a diet of the evils of trout farming and the impending doom that would result from it happening in New Zealand .... disease .... poaching .... pollution ... genetic risks etc. etc. ... basically a few people wanting to put a wild fishery at risk to line their pockets under the disguise of doing some good for the country? My dad was involved in fighting trout farming in the past and I have continued that fight to keep NZ a pristine wild trout fishery ... it's an risk that will never go away but the old Acclimatisation Society and now Fish and game have a done a great fighting the farming of an acclimatised species!

How come then the farming and sale of Mallards is so excepted in not only the wider hunting community but by Fish and Game regions around the country? There is just as much evidence from overseas about the risks of captive reared Mallards on wild populations as there is on the risk of trout farming! Disease .... poor genetics ..... poaching etc. etc.

Under the guise of helping struggling Mallard populations we might be going down a very risky road not only to the health of our in some regions already struggling Mallard populations but creating an salable item from a what is supposed to be a public resource.

I am interested in everyone else's opinions?

cough bullshit cough

Permits to release captive-reared waterfowl are the responsibility of the Department of Conservation, and thus there is no statutory requirement for Fish & Game to be involved with or even notified of any such releases

its niether widespread nor acceptedly only maybe by aw eastern so by proxy hb but you cant sell them.

Most transfers should be of birds to other authorised permit holders, e.g. Fish & Game councils for the purpose of liberation and population enhancement, and perhaps licensed game preserves. It is noted on the authorisations that all birds, eggs and progeny remain the property of the Crown.

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so you,ve been giving eastern and your national chairman an earful at national level paul??

Under the guise of helping struggling Mallard populations we might be going down a very risky road not only to the health of our in some regions already struggling Mallard populations but creating an salable item from a what is supposed to be a public resource

Rearing and releasing programmes are often viewed as a quick fix solution to creating more ducks.
To date, both internationally and in the Waikato results have been mixed. In general harvest rates
are low for captive-reared ducks released into the wild. In the Waikato results have varied from less
than 1% in a wetland area to 22% on Matingarahi Station where a concerted effort was made to
feed the birds and control predators. In addition, captive-reared mallards have typically been shot
on the property where they were released, and thus the returns are highly localised.
man dont yopu read other councils stuff paul

Meeting of the
New Zealand Fish and Game Council
Brentwood Hotel, Wellington
Friday 24 July 2015

Director-General of Conservation
3.08pm Lou Sanson the Director General of Conservation arrived at the meeting. After introductions
he provided an outline of points central to his activity in recent times:
 The Department is now getting clear lines of responsibilities back with operations directors
and managers and realigning some DOC boundaries (Central North Island and Nelson/West
Coast). The Partnerships component will be much smaller.
 The Department’s new strategy has been released and includes 50 (up from 10) freshwater
projects. Iwi relations are going to be important in this operational area over freshwater
management.
 The new CE of the Ministry for the Environment is Vicky Robinson. She has agreed to work
with Lou on water quality. Fish and Game would like to participate in any efforts on water
quality.
 There is ongoing effort into controlling pests. The emphasis will be on looking at how to stop
recolonisation of areas cleared of pests. Pest free Mt Taranaki continues to be an important
project for DOC.
The subject of permits being issued to release mallard into the wild without consultation with Fish and
Game was raised. The DG asked that a letter be written to him outlining the issues.
The retirement of the Director Services Northern North Island was mentioned and his contribution to
Fish and Game was lauded.
The Conservation Infringement Fine System as submitted to Cabinet by the Minister was explained.
This is being introduced with the proposal at introduction not including Fish and Game. However,
Fish and Game is to be considered after the first year of the legislation.

mmm naughty doc???

rom: Andrew Grant <agrant@doc.govt.nz>
To: Kevin Brown <kw.brown15@yahoo.co.nz>
Sent: Thursday, 14 January 2016 2:11 PM
Subject: RE: duck shooting on preserves

Hi Kevin
I am not at liberty to provide you with list of names and addresses but I can check details where you provided specific information.

In general then I will provide you with some answers to your original questions.

Yes DOC does issue permits to hold mallards. Fish and Game also have delegated authority from the Minister to manage mallards and issue authorities to kill. [U]I can assure you that whenever the Department receives an application to hold or kill mallards the relevant Fish and Game Office is consulted on that application.[/U

that right since when ??

One-hundred-and-seventeenth meeting of the
New Zealand Fish and Game Council
CQ Hotel, Wellington
Friday 25 & Saturday 26 September 2015
Commencing 9.45 am
 Andy Garrick (Eastern) has met with Hamilton DOC about irregularities with permits for
releasing mallards. The DOC permitting committee see no reason for permitting not to be
given to Fish and Game. Discussion remains ongoing.

clearly its ongoing then

Originally Posted by gsp follower

so you,ve been giving eastern and your national chairman an earful at national level paul??


man dont yopu read other councils stuff paul

Cut it out. It's pretty tame censored opinion over there these days. There's a perfectly informative thread running here.

Originally Posted by top gun

It may be of interest to hunters that the killing of HEN pheasants in the wild has been removed from the 2016 season's licence & hopefully for every year after that!!!!

Myself & a colleague ( Wildfowler's Assn members) got a petition going in late 2014 which was signed by many pissed off hunters and presented to ERF&G in Oct/Nov last when the 2016 season regs were being set. So sanity has returned!!!! Hopefully this sort of nonsense won't raise its ugly head again!!!!!!

That's good to hear and good on you and your association. I felt it a diversionary motion to overshadow allowing mallard shooting on preserves and would likely be dropped under "pressure" at some point. Bunch of good buggers that council.