Thread: no lead from 2021

the point not mentioned is the minister stopped short of a total ban on all lead shot in all gauges even outside the game bird season.......yep total ban, and who the hell wanted that ?
what the bright sparks down south don't realise is that once you start banning or losing shit it gives weight to other issues that may suddenly appear........plastic wads and shooting spoonies being my main concern.

would she have gone that far given the heli shooters wont use steel in the braided river beds??

Im probably going to get slammed for this but all you pro lead guys need to move on. Its fucking boring to listen too. We have shot hundreds of ducks season after season since the ban was introduced. Sure it took a bit of getting used too
with different speeds and chokes etc but I reckon it kills as well as anything else when used correctly . By used correctly I mean the right shot charge for the game , Speed , Choke and marksmanship. Concealment is key.

no slamming about it Nathan f here your opinions as valued as anyone elses.
well given ive got 2 boxes of what I'm told is the only available steel 20 gauge ammo in the country remote useful for waterfowl,and steel still cant be used for clays so practise is out,
where would you suggest Nathan f we get the ammo chokes and marksmenship practise??.
would you say the introduction of 12 steel was handled well or did we get a load of mis information by so called sponsored experts that probably cost thousands of wounded waterfowl.
I would darely like to avoid the same mess but given I cant get one supplier to say the will bring in 20 gauge steel let alone the even less used gauges,i cant see that mess being avoided again.
what am I supposed to do??.buy a 12 I cant use properly because they fucked up and didn't do their job right in the first place.
or because they created a market for subgauges which they,ve unilateraly decided now is an embarrassment.??
yes steels passable and kills things when you use the right loads and shotsizes but subgauges are way more sensitive to this and there wont be the steel ammo choice of the 12 guareentee it.[img][/img]
just over half these parries were killed with the only 20 gauge steel waterfowl load available 3 inch blackcloud 2,s
it was not pretty broken wings tight elongated and or uneven patterns out of a quarter choke even.

i agree with nathan f, move on and protect what we have, it was always going to happen after southland kept pushing the issue and letters were sent to the minister and i would say there's a few guys down there that think they just saved xmas for everyone.
the point not mentioned is the minister stopped short of a total ban on all lead shot in all gauges even outside the game bird season.......yep total ban, and who the hell wanted that ?
what the bright sparks down south don't realise is that once you start banning or losing shit it gives weight to other issues that may suddenly appear........plastic wads and shooting spoonies being my main concern.

Interesting about plastic wads.
Haven't used them for a number of years here in the U.K.
All fibre wads. For pheasant and partridge as land owners don't want there ground covered in plastic.

Originally Posted by Sideshow

Interesting about plastic wads.
Haven't used them for a number of years here in the U.K.
All fibre wads. For pheasant and partridge as land owners don't want there ground covered in plastic.

Same I use fibre wads when hunting however the ground(s) I shoot clays on look like a wad delivery truck has had a messy accident

and i have no issue with using Non-Tox shot if only I could buy it locally

People seem to have conveniently short memories and forget that prior to the restrictions on 12G lead usage, there was no non-toxic ammo available here, despite it being readily available overseas. Yet once the restrictions were imposed, the importers started bringing it in....so too will it happen next year for sub-gauges. One importer I spoke to has already confirmed such. First, without a demand, there is simply no need to supply.

Originally Posted by gqhoon

People seem to have conveniently short memories and forget that prior to the restrictions on 12G lead usage, there was no non-toxic ammo available here, despite it being readily available overseas. Yet once the restrictions were imposed, the importers started bringing it in....so too will it happen next year for sub-gauges. One importer I spoke to has already confirmed such. First, without a demand, there is simply no need to supply.

yep and I remember the cheap nasty shit that was available fiocchi and b&p
I don't doubt you gq but h&f aint interested the suppliiers to the 2 other shops and the hull agent not interested either.
given your example which I remember to be reasonably correct in relation to supply 9 out of 10 waterfowl hunters.
can you honestly say there,l be a rush to supply less than 1 out of 10 hunters.
I hope your right and I'm wrong and supply is widespread and various but I wouldn't bet the farm on it.

[/QUOTE] ihave only ever shot 2 times with lead and only with steel ever since. I can only say that this will push even more to 12G semi autos which is not a bad thing.[/QUOTE]

id be more inclined that subgaugers might go the 2 3/4 inch steel route and lightweight 12,s those that can afford or want to.
but why 12 gauge semi,s and why would it be a good thing 300calman??

Originally Posted by gsp follower

id be more inclined that subgaugers might go the 2 3/4 inch steel route and lightweight 12,s those that can afford or want to.
but why 12 gauge semi,s and why would it be a good thing 300calman??

Because most 12ga hunters seem to think you need to fire shells with heavy payloads and hence recoil which the semi auto will help make manageable.

Personally I see no advantage in a semi as it would seem most regions are restricting to 3 shots or as here in Tasman "no magazine extensions allowed".

I will be sticking with my 20 and 28ga Under and Overs myself

I am not obviously up to speed on this so I am left wondering what was F&G consultation process with licence holders in this?

I mean to say, poor old F&G ... 150 years anniversary of the introduction of the Mallard into this country and this years licence depicts the Californian Quail ... they cannot even get that right ...

Originally Posted by gsp follower

yep and I remember the cheap nasty shit that was available fiocchi and b&p
I don't doubt you gq but h&f aint interested the suppliiers to the 2 other shops and the hull agent not interested either.
given your example which I remember to be reasonably correct in relation to supply 9 out of 10 waterfowl hunters.
can you honestly say there,l be a rush to supply less than 1 out of 10 hunters.
I hope your right and I'm wrong and supply is widespread and various but I wouldn't bet the farm on it.

ihave only ever shot 2 times with lead and only with steel ever since. I can only say that this will push even more to 12G semi autos which is not a bad thing.[/QUOTE]

id be more inclined that subgaugers might go the 2 3/4 inch steel route and lightweight 12,s those that can afford or want to.
but why 12 gauge semi,s and why would it be a good thing 300calman??[/QUOTE]

Personally I see it as a deviant means of one day in time it will be a useful excuse to eliminate semis ... we will follow the track Australia has set ...

Originally Posted by gsp follower

yep and I remember the cheap nasty shit that was available fiocchi and b&p
I don't doubt you gq but h&f aint interested the suppliiers to the 2 other shops and the hull agent not interested either.
given your example which I remember to be reasonably correct in relation to supply 9 out of 10 waterfowl hunters.
can you honestly say there,l be a rush to supply less than 1 out of 10 hunters.
I hope your right and I'm wrong and supply is widespread and various but I wouldn't bet the farm on it.

If retailers and importers can make a dollar on a sale, then they will bring it in. Plain and simple, as that's the sole reason they are in business.

Originally Posted by gqhoon

If retailers and importers can make a dollar on a sale, then they will bring it in. Plain and simple, as that's the sole reason they are in business.

you knpw they cant and wont the hassles of importing ammo the pre ordering needed and the amounts wanted will make it a non starter.
nice of f&g to give us grace period to find something else to use I guess but still a big pain in the arse they,ve got me twice now.

Personally I see it as a deviant means of one day in time it will be a useful excuse to eliminate semis ... we will follow the track Australia has set ...

never happen EeBees as long as theres 3 inch and bigger steel there,l be semi,s no bugger in his right mind is gonna shoot that shit[ ,3 or 3.5 inch steel ]out of a sxs or u.o

Originally Posted by gsp follower

you knpw they cant and wont the hassles of importing ammo the pre ordering needed and the amounts wanted will make it a non starter.
nice of f&g to give us grace period to find something else to use I guess but still a big pain in the arse they,ve got me twice now.

never happen EeBees as long as theres 3 inch and bigger steel there,l be semi,s no bugger in his right mind is gonna shoot that shit[ ,3 or 3.5 inch steel ]out of a sxs or u.o

Simple, most people I know went from pumps or U/Os to a gas operated semi to cut down on the recoil of the nasty steel ammo.

The more people who have semi's the more who will be pissed if the government tries to ban them. I think it will work against an attempt to ban semi's.

Originally Posted by gsp follower

you knpw they cant and wont the hassles of importing ammo the pre ordering needed and the amounts wanted will make it a non starter

There is no more hassle to importing 20G steel, as there is 12G steel.

Those of us who are prepared to adapt, will do some research, buy a few boxes of different ammo, pattern it and familiarise themselves with it. They will practise with cheap 20G steel clay loads to learn the differences in lead required and just get on with it.

I have only ever shot 2 times with lead and only with steel ever since. I can only say that this will push even more to 12G semi autos which is not a bad thing.

The use of non-toxic shot for waterfowl hunting is already mandatory in many overseas countries, including the United States, Canada, Europe and some Australian states.

"Some" ... only Victoria, South Australia, Tasmania and Northern Territory are permitted ... yet thousands of ducks are shot on the rice in New South Wales ... again a classic example of double standards ...