Thread: Non toxic subgauge ammo

Picked up the slab today hopefully get out to pattern it through all the chokes soon. Giles has another slab in stock currently, $35 a packet or $270 a slab.

shippment of reloading supplies arrived.

Originally Posted by southernman

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is the itx 10 shot sizes comparable to lead or steel
IE do you have to go up or is it so hard/dense you can go down in sizes even

Originally Posted by gsp follower

is the itx 10 shot sizes comparable to lead or steel
IE do you have to go up or is it so hard/dense you can go down in sizes even

Its roughly the same size as comparable lead, slightly less dense, but can be pushed faster,
I mostly shoot a #4 7/8 oz load, at 1450fps in my 16ga for ducks, swats them out of the sky to 50m or so.

Great thread. I have purchased a couple of kilos of bismuth for a 7/8 oz load for the 20ga. I am still searching around for 28ga steel so my 11 year old daughter shoot some ducks aswell, it is a pity that Fish and Game didn't include the 28ga in the lead exemptions like the 410.

Silly question.
Is 410 ammo as expensive in comparison to 12g overseas?
Just talking standard lead, not the tungsten Turkey stuff

in typical high handed f&g fashion thier mags report on 20 gauge steel is full of shit.
the high handed test of ammo seemingly unavailable to us common hunters, just proves how out of touch they still are.
expensive duplex loads and drylock steel unavailable in your usual haunts
or 39 t0 49 a box black cloud.and speed shock steel ive never seen in 20 gauge.
if your going to do tests tell us where we can source the ammo the retail price.
not that we subcidised you into ''a case of drylock steel''available from where by the way for the tests

Im still looking for a couple boxes in 20ga
I know federal make a good tss load but works out quite expensive at around $8 per shot and i have yet to find any anywhere but the report in f&g mag says its here.

Maybe "RIO" will be the only choice of 20g in steel

Well I had a wee trip round the stores here in Nelson after reading in the F&G mag how widespread 20 non-toxic stuff is and how well it performs.

H&F in Nelson either had a single box or single variety (could not be sure no one seemed to really want to help me)
H&F in Richmond had nothing and when I asked if they were likely too get anything said maybe, maybe not not really sure
Kelly country had several varieties and not supprisingly were actually very helpful.
Never went to GS as ran out of time

So its great that its so easy to get ammo so I can shoot the duckies (yes i have a 12g but its not the gun I hunt with or want to hunt with)
I would have brought a box of Federal TSS to try even at $8 a cartridge but I can find any

it looks like falcon are finnally coming to party with some loads too.....tried to get them to push some lighter payload 12ga a few years back but not interested,that said the 30 grm loading if you can find it is good.
interesting in that article they stated WHO supplied rounds...maybe chase them up that way????
50 quid to knob of goat shit you will hear the covid excuse rolled out....

Originally Posted by Micky Duck

it looks like falcon are finnally coming to party with some loads too.....tried to get them to push some lighter payload 12ga a few years back but not interested,that said the 30 grm loading if you can find it is good.
interesting in that article they stated WHO supplied rounds...maybe chase them up that way????
50 quid to knob of goat shit you will hear the covid excuse rolled out....

I know all that but I should not have too, that article makes it sound like it is easily obtainable with a minimum of effort when that is clearly not the case. Not to mention I believe a lot was supplied by H&F / Sportways and Killwell. SO you would think being the first year that you have to use it (non toxic) in all guages except 410 you would / should be almost able to get it an any chemist so to speak.
I may have to yet buy a 410 u/o

Now Farmlands is out of ammo sales think a few other retailers are stocking Falcon. Is RIO only a GC product.

yes I do agree its been shoddy deal the major players not getting in large amounts quickly.....I have contact who deals in the b&p stuff in .12ga if you want I can flick you his dets and you could get in touch re getting in some 20ga.........

Originally Posted by Micky Duck

yes I do agree its been shoddy deal the major players not getting in large amounts quickly.....I have contact who deals in the b&p stuff in .12ga if you want I can flick you his dets and you could get in touch re getting in some 20ga.........

Got a couple boxes of the Mary Arms stuff to pattern, if it works then the local small guy gun shop have quite a bit. I can hunt with lead as I mainly shoot upland game but in the event of bumping into a duck or 3 its much easier to just use non toxic all round than just watch Mr Mallard fly by.
That said its bloody frustrating. Ideally i would like some 7s in steel for quail preferably with disolving or fibre wads.