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    Canadian Geese on public land

    Hi Guys

    I have been trying to find some info in regards to where i can hunt these Geese on public land, IE estuary, rivers, lakes etc

    I called DOC and i have obtained a small game permit for use of a shotgun on Te Papanui and Lake Waihola (this is the only area they issue them for in my area) i then asked what the rules were in regard to hunting the on other waters and they offered little help and said they don't deal with it and suggested i tried fish and game

    I then tried fish and game Dunedin, they have almost no one in this week as people have been on leave etc, i may get some info tomorrow but thought id try here also.

    Im sure some people on here must target them year round and would like to know how you go about shooting them on public land.

    Obviously im very green (never shot a bird on the wing) to this waterfowl business but I'm trying to give it a good nudge this year as the wife is taking an interest in it so trying to make the most of whats on offer.

    cheers

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    etiquette wise the next months probably out for targetting geese wherever duck hunters have a pozzy
    maybe on private farms away from fed ponds or doc high country land .
    for instance at lake ellesmere after march 31st i dont chase geese on the lake or its edges.
    out of respect for duck hunters wanting semi rested up quiet ducks not jumping out of thier feathers cos of trigger happy goose hunters.
    but i could join a mate on a dairy farm not that far from the lake for some if so inclined.
    we wouldnt be upsetting anyone mostly and after all if we were it would be his pozzy anyway we were scarein up.
    green grassy river flats and/or saved grass would be a go again staying away from any tagged ponds.
    f and g dont care about geese anymore but you never know they might be helpful.

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    As above the duck shooters will be pissed if you are stirring things up this close to opening day,anything goes after opening weekend though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gsp follower View Post
    etiquette wise the next months probably out for targetting geese wherever duck hunters have a pozzy
    maybe on private farms away from fed ponds or doc high country land .
    for instance at lake ellesmere after march 31st i dont chase geese on the lake or its edges.
    out of respect for duck hunters wanting semi rested up quiet ducks not jumping out of thier feathers cos of trigger happy goose hunters.
    but i could join a mate on a dairy farm not that far from the lake for some if so inclined.
    we wouldnt be upsetting anyone mostly and after all if we were it would be his pozzy anyway we were scarein up.
    green grassy river flats and/or saved grass would be a go again staying away from any tagged ponds.
    f and g dont care about geese anymore but you never know they might be helpful.
    Thanks for the advice, i am all about etiquette and don't want to annoy anyone planning for opening day so i might try find a place to smack a few clays with the wife (away from maimais etc)

    You mention grassy green river flats, I'm trying to figure out who owns these rivers and or flats? as a young fella i assumed rivers were crown land(we spent days chasing trout 10-15 years ago) but apparently this may not be the case so would appreciate any guidance on who owns what, so i can as for permission and or obtain a permit from the right person/s or place

    cheers again
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    Check out the wams (walking access map system) website for who owns what property, I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong.... but I thought Canadian geese had been moved to the 'pest'category and you could take them with a rifle or shotgun wherever you liked be it private land or public

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    That's how I understand it. Anytime , anywhere with anything . Just been out back of hamner on doc land on river flats and the geese were everywhere . Individual groups of twenty or more .
    Unfortunately only had the 338 with me but was tempted to line a few up , three or so deep ....there were so many that wasn't a problem , with a headshot to see how many I could get with one round....
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    geese much to new zealands shame are on the pest list
    check with fish and game cos any rivers they will probably have thier accesss points for them,
    you could target them as they return to roost spots on the river morning or evening to
    yea bloody geese as thick as tahr
    to many bloody tahr huh.
    feelin like jumpin in a chopper and shootin the shit out of them with buckshot
    one mans game species is another mans........
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    Quote Originally Posted by c-dog View Post
    Hi Guys

    I have been trying to find some info in regards to where i can hunt these Geese on public land, IE estuary, rivers, lakes etc

    I called DOC and i have obtained a small game permit for use of a shotgun on Te Papanui and Lake Waihola (this is the only area they issue them for in my area) i then asked what the rules were in regard to hunting the on other waters and they offered little help and said they don't deal with it and suggested i tried fish and game

    I then tried fish and game Dunedin, they have almost no one in this week as people have been on leave etc, i may get some info tomorrow but thought id try here also.

    Im sure some people on here must target them year round and would like to know how you go about shooting them on public land.

    Obviously im very green (never shot a bird on the wing) to this waterfowl business but I'm trying to give it a good nudge this year as the wife is taking an interest in it so trying to make the most of whats on offer.

    cheers
    Geese are classified as pests. You can hunt them on or within normal DOC hunting areas( with a rifle as DOC dont want you shooting wood pigeons and using goose shooting as an excuse to have a shotgun under a stand of Miro trees). Dont hunt them on DOC land areas where it is not legal to discharge a firearm ( DOC land outside the hunting areas). On many Crown owned river beds and estuary's it is legal for the holder of a gamebird licence to discharge a shotgun during the gamebird hunting season through a longstanding arrangement with F&G. Does this mean that a non holder of a gamebird licence may also discharge a firearm (shotgun) on Crown land - I dont know ??? Check with LINZ etc
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moa Hunter View Post
    On many Crown owned river beds and estuary's it is legal for the holder of a gamebird licence to discharge a shotgun during the gamebird hunting season through a longstanding arrangement with F&G.
    Good post MH. This came up a few years ago when we were talking about duck hunting from a boat on rivers without permission to hunt on land either side of said river. Any links or reference? My local F&G office weren't very helpful.

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    thanks for the replies, I do realise i can hunt them with a rifle on doc land preference is to use a shotgun. i have a small game permit from doc which allows me into 2 areas around Dunedin but was struggling to find any info from F & G regarding hunting them up certain rivers(crown land) but still not heard anything back, @Moa Hunter i will try LINZ, i will report back once i have more info for anyone in the same boat.

    Cheers Again have a good easter
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    Quote Originally Posted by MB View Post
    Good post MH. This came up a few years ago when we were talking about duck hunting from a boat on rivers without permission to hunt on land either side of said river. Any links or reference? My local F&G office weren't very helpful.
    You will possibly find it under the section of the Conservation Act which governs F&G. The basics of the matter are on the Game Bird licence conditions
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    Big learning curve hunting geese, but they are so much fun and well worth the effort. You can get a Game Bird permit from your local DoC office which kinda covers geese depending on whether you actually bump in to a DoC staff member thats interested in checking you out. The chances of actually being approached by a DoC staff member are zero to nil, particularly if you're hunting outside of office hours, or weekends, or across a small waterway etc etc. Some DoC offices issue a small game permit to cover geese, pretty easy to obtain over the phone, and gives you free rein to go shoot some "small game". Dont bother explaining anything to them, just ask for a small game permit for the district you wish to hunt.

    There are plenty of geese on public land and "hydro" areas, as shown in the WAMS maps. Do lots of scouting, sit on some remote roads in the general area both night and morning and look for flying mobs of geese. Check out where they go to. In the evenings it is usually to some cockies paddock so they can chow down all night. In the mornings its back to their roosting areas out on the riverbeds and tarns and lakes etc. Once you have a mob's position locked in, spend some time watching what they do. This may be over a few days. Try and make your scouting trips with a different wind direction each time, so that you can see how they set in to their "safe" place.

    Once you've done a good lot of scouting and happy that you have some idea of their habits, set yourself up to catch them coming in. We've had plenty of geese coming in to the paddocks after the harvest. But hunter pressure, sprouting crops and cultivation have changed their habits so now we have geese over several paddocks, and it aint consistent, making for very difficult success. But only this morning I went out on to the riverbed where they roost up each day and pulled a whole heap of flood debris in to a makeshift blind so we can have another crack tomorrow morning.......and then the wind changes! So will be some early morning changes before we hide up.

    A layout blind is a definite bonus, so many options for differing terrain etc. But they are expensive. I hunted for years using only a large sheet of scrim I salvaged off a roll of carpet. Slapped some greenish paint on one side to camo it up. The advantage with this is one side was more tussock coloured with a bit of green showing through, and the other was more grass coloured with lots of green. Lie on half of it, with something to prop your head up, and cover yourself with the other half. Cut slits in it to poke some grass and vegetation so you blend in.

    Geese have amazing eyesight so your camo needs to be better than ok, needs to be excellent. Cover your face, dont move. Dont leave bright coloured cartridges lying around. Learn some basic calls on a goose call. Make yourself a "flag" so you can add some movement to your decoy spread.

    Decoys, absolutely necessary if you want birds to come right in to you. For years I used up to 100 silhouettes, larger than std size. Still use them if I'm heading out for a quick walk in hunt. Now I mostly use 3 dozen shell decoys, but you'll need to take out a mortgage if you want a decent amount of good quality decoys. A good start is a doz mixed ones from Hardcore Outdoors, delivered to your door, not too big, easy to set up, and realistic. Same as ducks, your decoys need to face in to the wind! You dont need a lot, they just need to look good, and face the right direction.

    Despite what some people say, geese are not difficult to drop. Shoot within your distance limits, usually 40 metres. I use 4's, whether Im shooting lead or steel. I prefer lead and do nearly all of my shooting over paddocks, so lead is ok, Rio Mini Mag 4's. It is important to actually check your choking and make sure you have plenty of pellets with in your pattern at whatever distance you find comfortable. Problem with 2's and 3's is there is often not enough pellets within your spread to ensure you hit the neck or head. And most important - dont shoot for the goose, shot for the head! Birds are really easy to kill if you hit them in the neck or head. And shoot 'em when you can see their eyeballs. And dont bother to shoot at them as they're departing, too bloody difficult to get enough shot in to a vital area.

    Do some scouting, camo yourself up real well, shoot some geese and we look forward to some updates. Goose breast is beautiful, treated as steak, or roasted with skin on, or made in to pastrami. If you want to make up some silhouettes, let me know and I can send some pic's of the ones that work for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moa Hunter View Post
    You will possibly find it under the section of the Conservation Act which governs F&G. The basics of the matter are on the Game Bird licence conditions
    Can't find it in either the F&G regulations or the Conservation Act 1987. I've got a feeling you're right, but it would be nice to see it in black and white.

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    Thanks husky a lot of good info for everyone there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Husky1600 View Post
    Big learning curve hunting geese, but they are so much fun and well worth the effort. You can get a Game Bird permit from your local DoC office which kinda covers geese depending on whether you actually bump in to a DoC staff member thats interested in checking you out. The chances of actually being approached by a DoC staff member are zero to nil, particularly if you're hunting outside of office hours, or weekends, or across a small waterway etc etc. Some DoC offices issue a small game permit to cover geese, pretty easy to obtain over the phone, and gives you free rein to go shoot some "small game". Dont bother explaining anything to them, just ask for a small game permit for the district you wish to hunt.

    There are plenty of geese on public land and "hydro" areas, as shown in the WAMS maps. Do lots of scouting, sit on some remote roads in the general area both night and morning and look for flying mobs of geese. Check out where they go to. In the evenings it is usually to some cockies paddock so they can chow down all night. In the mornings its back to their roosting areas out on the riverbeds and tarns and lakes etc. Once you have a mob's position locked in, spend some time watching what they do. This may be over a few days. Try and make your scouting trips with a different wind direction each time, so that you can see how they set in to their "safe" place.

    Once you've done a good lot of scouting and happy that you have some idea of their habits, set yourself up to catch them coming in. We've had plenty of geese coming in to the paddocks after the harvest. But hunter pressure, sprouting crops and cultivation have changed their habits so now we have geese over several paddocks, and it aint consistent, making for very difficult success. But only this morning I went out on to the riverbed where they roost up each day and pulled a whole heap of flood debris in to a makeshift blind so we can have another crack tomorrow morning.......and then the wind changes! So will be some early morning changes before we hide up.

    A layout blind is a definite bonus, so many options for differing terrain etc. But they are expensive. I hunted for years using only a large sheet of scrim I salvaged off a roll of carpet. Slapped some greenish paint on one side to camo it up. The advantage with this is one side was more tussock coloured with a bit of green showing through, and the other was more grass coloured with lots of green. Lie on half of it, with something to prop your head up, and cover yourself with the other half. Cut slits in it to poke some grass and vegetation so you blend in.

    Geese have amazing eyesight so your camo needs to be better than ok, needs to be excellent. Cover your face, dont move. Dont leave bright coloured cartridges lying around. Learn some basic calls on a goose call. Make yourself a "flag" so you can add some movement to your decoy spread.

    Decoys, absolutely necessary if you want birds to come right in to you. For years I used up to 100 silhouettes, larger than std size. Still use them if I'm heading out for a quick walk in hunt. Now I mostly use 3 dozen shell decoys, but you'll need to take out a mortgage if you want a decent amount of good quality decoys. A good start is a doz mixed ones from Hardcore Outdoors, delivered to your door, not too big, easy to set up, and realistic. Same as ducks, your decoys need to face in to the wind! You dont need a lot, they just need to look good, and face the right direction.

    Despite what some people say, geese are not difficult to drop. Shoot within your distance limits, usually 40 metres. I use 4's, whether Im shooting lead or steel. I prefer lead and do nearly all of my shooting over paddocks, so lead is ok, Rio Mini Mag 4's. It is important to actually check your choking and make sure you have plenty of pellets with in your pattern at whatever distance you find comfortable. Problem with 2's and 3's is there is often not enough pellets within your spread to ensure you hit the neck or head. And most important - dont shoot for the goose, shot for the head! Birds are really easy to kill if you hit them in the neck or head. And shoot 'em when you can see their eyeballs. And dont bother to shoot at them as they're departing, too bloody difficult to get enough shot in to a vital area.

    Do some scouting, camo yourself up real well, shoot some geese and we look forward to some updates. Goose breast is beautiful, treated as steak, or roasted with skin on, or made in to pastrami. If you want to make up some silhouettes, let me know and I can send some pic's of the ones that work for me.
    Gidday Al

    I hope that 8x57 is going well.

    Thanks for the detailed info on the hunting of Geese, its as shame they have been put on the pest list as from what ive read/researched they seem to be a great challenge to hunt. at this point in time i am probably unable to spend mornings and evenings scouting them out but as they are regarded a "pest" i have all year to hassle them and put some more time into chasing them, not just the duck season. I have taken the wife out last weekend to have a go on some clays to make sure she is comfortable with a shotgun, after a few clays and some below average coaching she was shooting really well. and id be happy to put her onto some birds within range.

    I have my permit in hand and have seen a couple of small mobs in the local doc block, if i do get some time after work i will try get a bit of a look at there movements etc and hopefully find somewhere to setup a temp blind and try my luck on a couple. ill do what i can with the time available. I would be keen to see some pics of your silhouettes, i have some ply floating around at work and might be worth cutting a few out to take up the local doc block once ive studied them a bit more.

    cheers again for all the helpful info, hopefully manage a couple of gamebirds this season
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