Thread: Non toxic subgauge ammo

Im still looking for a couple boxes in 20ga
I know federal make a good tss load but works out quite expensive at around $8 per shot and i have yet to find any anywhere but the report in f&g mag says its here.

Maybe "RIO" will be the only choice of 20g in steel

Well I had a wee trip round the stores here in Nelson after reading in the F&G mag how widespread 20 non-toxic stuff is and how well it performs.

H&F in Nelson either had a single box or single variety (could not be sure no one seemed to really want to help me)
H&F in Richmond had nothing and when I asked if they were likely too get anything said maybe, maybe not not really sure
Kelly country had several varieties and not supprisingly were actually very helpful.
Never went to GS as ran out of time

So its great that its so easy to get ammo so I can shoot the duckies (yes i have a 12g but its not the gun I hunt with or want to hunt with)
I would have brought a box of Federal TSS to try even at $8 a cartridge but I can find any

it looks like falcon are finnally coming to party with some loads too.....tried to get them to push some lighter payload 12ga a few years back but not interested,that said the 30 grm loading if you can find it is good.
interesting in that article they stated WHO supplied rounds...maybe chase them up that way????
50 quid to knob of goat shit you will hear the covid excuse rolled out....

Now Farmlands is out of ammo sales think a few other retailers are stocking Falcon. Is RIO only a GC product.

Originally Posted by Micky Duck

it looks like falcon are finnally coming to party with some loads too.....tried to get them to push some lighter payload 12ga a few years back but not interested,that said the 30 grm loading if you can find it is good.
interesting in that article they stated WHO supplied rounds...maybe chase them up that way????
50 quid to knob of goat shit you will hear the covid excuse rolled out....

I know all that but I should not have too, that article makes it sound like it is easily obtainable with a minimum of effort when that is clearly not the case. Not to mention I believe a lot was supplied by H&F / Sportways and Killwell. SO you would think being the first year that you have to use it (non toxic) in all guages except 410 you would / should be almost able to get it an any chemist so to speak.
I may have to yet buy a 410 u/o

yes I do agree its been shoddy deal the major players not getting in large amounts quickly.....I have contact who deals in the b&p stuff in .12ga if you want I can flick you his dets and you could get in touch re getting in some 20ga.........

Looking at Killwell's non toxic sub gauge, arriving late April.

late April is plurry close to early May...if delayed and youve waited for it ,your in the shit.....if youve waited for it and its $5 a shot.....not a lot of choice left....
remember what is it now???3-4 ??? seasons ago H&F did big speil on how good the eley stuff was then didnt get it in in time for DDay.....

Originally Posted by Micky Duck

yes I do agree its been shoddy deal the major players not getting in large amounts quickly.....I have contact who deals in the b&p stuff in .12ga if you want I can flick you his dets and you could get in touch re getting in some 20ga.........

Got a couple boxes of the Mary Arms stuff to pattern, if it works then the local small guy gun shop have quite a bit. I can hunt with lead as I mainly shoot upland game but in the event of bumping into a duck or 3 its much easier to just use non toxic all round than just watch Mr Mallard fly by.
That said its bloody frustrating. Ideally i would like some 7s in steel for quail preferably with disolving or fibre wads.

the writeup on the eley stuff looked promising in that respect......awesome to hear you can get the falcon stuff.Mary Arms..... it should be ok as the 12 ga steel stuff they do has large fan base....

For what its worth the Mary Arms 20ga steel patterned real good in my 20ga (Beretta 687 ) and smashed clays well to 45 yards so i think it may be ok for waterfowl and possibly a bit much for pheasants

interesting in that article they stated WHO supplied rounds...maybe chase them up that way????

yea i blew up before i saw before i saw the suppliers.
even so i bet you wont get much joy from wholesalers unless you buy quantity and who wants to buy quantity and find its a expensive crapshoot. sportsways does not list the 20 gauge speed shock steel as a option only federal black cloud and close range black cloud and i,ll bet its not south of 39 buks a box.
a amount which they probably wouldnt supply you with anyway.
killwell does say late april but i hope its not stuck behind the ''ever given a kick in the arse '' in the suez.
i said at the time it would be a cluster just like the first phase out.
shit ammo at expensive prices in loads to light for most hunting or to heavy/ mauling for ducks and bloody pricey for our hunting.
i found the most expensive black cloud 2,s in 20 gauge highly suspect on geese and parries at normal ranges

Originally Posted by GDMP

Does'nt H&F have the Eley 20 ga steel catridges available?.I thought they did.....

Yes they did I think I counted 2 boxes in one store and none in the other when I asked.

Originally Posted by mikee

Yes they did I think I counted 2 boxes in one store and none in the other when I asked.

ive had some in steel 5.s so lead 7,s? for my 20.
missed 3 times in a row at quail thru a imp/cyl but thats just as likly me.
have a funny feeling had i connected it would have been quail mince.
might be a good night pond load if it patterns true to choke in your guns